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Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.
by pjmlp 6mo ago
Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.
- wiseowise 6mo ago> while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer. None of those matter if they just close the IDE before it indexes. > When all of these tiny issues come together, it makes me NOT want to program. I don’t want to sit around and wait for startup times to get my ideas onto the screen. I don’t want to worry that my CPU or RAM is going to be exhausted and I am going to have to restart my machine. I want to open my editor and immediately enter a flow state. I want the tooling to assist me when useful, and stay out of my way when not.
- pjmlp 6mo agoYes I have read that, and whatever, some people rather walk straight away, because waiting for the car to warm up takes a few minutes. I have IDE tooling experience since Borland products for MS-DOS, and plenty of programming editors as well, between PC, Amiga, Mac and UNIX clones.
- ryanolsonx 6mo agoIdk what car you have but mine can drive right away, just like Zed.
- linsomniac 6mo agoNot who you are replying to, but the new Lexus RX350h takes and absurdly long time to be ready to drive away, if you want to use the rear camera to help back out of the parking lot.
- 4ndrewl 6mo agoWait, don't you reverse into a parking space and drive straight out?
- pentium166 6mo agoSlow car computers aside, it doesn't really make a difference in the scheme of things. Spend the time backing up now or later. Also, maybe you need to use your trunk and you'd rather have it opening into free space instead of another vehicle or a wall.
- kstrauser 6mo agoI contend it does. People tend to take way more time backing into a space than pulling into it, and hardly more time backing out of a space than pulling forward out of it. I'm certain this isn't how they think of it, but when I see someone blocking traffic while they painfully back into a spot, I imagine them imagining themselves having to fly out of there without a moment to spare, like they plan on having a drastic emergency before they leave. And if that person isn't driving a police or fire department car or the like, I roll my eyes at the delusion of grandeur.
- djhn 6mo agoSurely a big part of the reason is steering leverage relative to the kerb. You are able to one-shot reverse parallel park into a much narrower gap without hitting the bumpers of the cars around you or getting onto the pavement.
- antonvs 6mo agoI always wonder why people do this. What’s the reasoning?
- smackeyacky 6mo agoI wonder this too. It’s much harder to back into a cramped parking space than backing out into an open space. So they do it very slowly. Watching people do this is frustrating.
- kstrauser 6mo agoSide note: to a rounding error, all modern cars can be safely driven right away. Wait a few seconds for the sound of the engine to change, indicating that oil is now happily pumping through all the grindy bits, and then you're ready to go. I'm not saying you want to drag race your neighbor 10 seconds after starting the engine for the first time that day, but once you don't hear the tappets being tappety, it's OK to pull out of your driveway and start moving at a sane pace.
- rurban 6mo ago> indicating that oil is now happily pumping through all the grindy bits That's not a modern car. Modern cars do not pump oil through all the grindy bits. Modern cars need to wait for the BMC to stabilize its power.
- pjmlp 6mo agoDepending on the planet region, and season, you might actually have to wait before driving. Frozen Winters, heavy snow, diesel pumps,....
- wiseowise 6mo ago> because waiting for the car to warm up takes a few minutes. If only it was this. Usually the car transmission breaks, there are random engine shutdowns, and after restart the car just doesn't function anymore. And when it actually does start, it moves so slow and consumes so much fuel that I can't justify using it. That's my experience with JetBrains IDEs.
- xigoi 6mo agoIf a text editor is a car, an IDE is an airplane. You can get to more places with it, but you need a lot of space and time to even start moving and then it consumes a ridiculous amount of fuel.
- j_w 6mo agoHorrible analogy. You can't "get to more places" with an airplane. An airplane can only go to very limited number of locations compared to a car.
- xigoi 6mo agoThat actually makes it a great analogy. An IDE allows you to make common edits like renaming a variable, just as an airplane gets you to any big city. But when you need to make an uncommon edit, it’s better to reach for Vim – just like you need a car to get to some random place in the middle of woods.
- j_w 6mo agoThis comment is so absurd I'm struggling to reply. A car takes you to an "uncommon place in the woods?" Taking a plane is a "common edit?" For the majority of people a car would be the "common" usage and a plane would be the "uncommon" usage. Unless you're a billionaire taking your private jet between runways to then hop on a helicopter for the rest of your trip. It's a terrible analogy.
- usef- 6mo agoExhausting the CPU and memory? I'm genuinely curious how he gets such a different experience to me. Startup is definitely slower than vim though, but it's something that happens only once for me, then it stays open all day (unlike vim which I close and open repeatedly)
- onehair 6mo agoOne can always use multiple editors for what they do besg. Zed, helix, nvim for small files in gui or terminal. A solid Slow start IDE for solid extended time work
- giancarlostoro 6mo agoZed is also insanely capable for the short span its been around, and very responsive. I love JetBrains and used them for over a decade now, but I think I will likely cancel next year since I find myself only using Zed these days.
- Dayshine 6mo agoIs it? For the three languages I tried to use it for it was terrible. It was like it only had the basic language support plugin I wrote for myself at uni: basic syntax and current file/directory only source files loaded into context. So any referenced projects, tooling, even packages in one language, and you have false positive errors everywhere.
- moritzruth 6mo agoSounds like you were in Restricted Mode: https://zed.dev/blog/secure-by-default#whats-changing-restricted-mode-by-default https://zed.dev/blog/secure-by-default#whats-changing-restri...
- pjmlp 6mo agoFor a programming text editor.
- feelamee 6mo ago[dead]
- shimman 6mo agoI don't use Zed, but do use Neovim but people make similar arguments. If I have access to a LSP and DAP, also do most of my refactoring through c tags and vim grep (or grug-far if I want to be fancy). What IDE specific features am I missing out on that can't be replicated? Being earnest here because I always screenshare with co-workers doing a variety of things and there is nothing I ever see that is impressive or makes me want to switch.
- kstrauser 6mo agoWe're not missing anything, or at least not anything I actually miss. I had a previous supervisor who chided me for "not using an IDE" because I was using Emacs -- Emacs! -- and insisted I should use something more featureful. First, that doesn't exist, and the notion's laughable. Second, I have every feature I actually want to use in Emacs (and Zed and even *vim), and have no reason to believe that any random bullet point someone might come up with 1) doesn't exist in those editors, or 2) that I'd use it anyway.