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As an eclipse fan, I may have experienced a teensy bit of schadenfreude while reading this.

by panny 5mo ago

pjmlp 5mo ago
Me too, however this is another case of exchanging IDE for text editor without understanding what is being lost, or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place, thus not knowing what is being left behind.
- bigyabai 5mo ago
  > or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place As more and more people delegate stupid things to their agent, this type of person will become increasingly common. Products like RustRover and CLion will be a much harder sell to audiences that don't even use an LSP in their day-to-day workflow. JetBrains is probably working on a contingency plan as we speak.
  - brabel 5mo ago
    That’s correct. Their new IDE, Fleet , pivoted to an AI first editor , but not sure if they have already released something.
- nomel 5mo ago
  I was in a meeting with a colleague about a PR for some python code. One of the things I noticed was that he had an unused module that contained an import of a non-existent class from another module. I know he uses Pycharm, so I mentioned to him that this kind of thing should be hard to miss, because the linter in Pycharm should have marked it, and the folder it's in, as red. He tells me, and I quote, "Oh, all the files are red."
  - kstrauser 5mo ago
    Do you already have a good criminal defense lawyer, or do you need a referral? Because whatever you did next was justified, in my opinion.
    - nomel 5mo ago
      This was the third wtf in that same meeting, so I think I did ok waiting to lose my cool until then. Second wtf you may ask? In the goal of changing the storage of our data, he implemented 3 of ~10 behaviors of the existing library, and silently ignore all calls to the remaining 7. Guess which 3 were never used in the existing library!? :D 20 years "experience". Total incompetence. I should correct that: 17 years. After he was hired, during our first lunch together, he admitted he did nothing the last 3 of his previous employment, getting stuck in some org void where he just kept quiet and sat at his desk every day. Yes, I'm on my way out.
      - kstrauser 5mo ago
        Cowabunga. I do totally believe you, though. I was the guy doing fizzbuzz screens at a prior job. Before that, I would not have believed the failure rate for that step of the process. "The person has a job as a senior software engineer? Of course they'll ace fizzbuzz! It's insulting to even suggest otherwise!" And yet. I bet at least a third of the candidates simply could not pass that to save their lives. I went out of my way to be the friendly, relaxed, conversational interviewer, too. I never wanted to turn away a good candidate because I intimidated them or made them feel uncomfortable. And with all that, it still didn't work out. A concrete example: one person could not get it through their head that they could write a function to return the correct value, then unit test that function with arbitrary known values. My question: "how do you know if it gets the right answer for 1,000,000,000,005?" What I wanted: def fizzbuzz(n): ... assert fizzbuzz(1_000_000_000_005) == "fizzbuzz" or something similar. What they offered: "OK, we'll loop from 1 to n and write each of the values out. Then we can compare the contents of that file with a test case!" "How is that going to work for values like 1 trillion something?" "We can compress it!" "And how long is this unit test going to take?" "Well, let's assume we can process a million answers per second..." "Aren't you going to run out of hard drive space at some point?" "We can use `tail` to get the last few lines!" "OK, let's start over. Can you imagine any way to test some arbitrary value in O(1) time?" "Nope, can't be done." "Sigh."
        nomel 5mo ago

As an eclipse fan, I may have experienced a teensy bit of schadenfreude while reading this.

by panny 5mo ago

As an eclipse fan, I may have experienced a teensy bit of schadenfreude while reading this.

pjmlp 5mo ago

Me too, however this is another case of exchanging IDE for text editor without understanding what is being lost, or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place, thus not knowing what is being left behind.

bigyabai 5mo ago
> or never having used the IDE to its full potential in first place As more and more people delegate stupid things to their agent, this type of person will become increasingly common. Products like RustRover and CLion will be a much harder sell to audiences that don't even use an LSP in their day-to-day workflow. JetBrains is probably working on a contingency plan as we speak.
- brabel 5mo ago
  That’s correct. Their new IDE, Fleet , pivoted to an AI first editor , but not sure if they have already released something.
nomel 5mo ago
I was in a meeting with a colleague about a PR for some python code. One of the things I noticed was that he had an unused module that contained an import of a non-existent class from another module. I know he uses Pycharm, so I mentioned to him that this kind of thing should be hard to miss, because the linter in Pycharm should have marked it, and the folder it's in, as red. He tells me, and I quote, "Oh, all the files are red."
- kstrauser 5mo ago
  Do you already have a good criminal defense lawyer, or do you need a referral? Because whatever you did next was justified, in my opinion.
  - nomel 5mo ago
    This was the third wtf in that same meeting, so I think I did ok waiting to lose my cool until then. Second wtf you may ask? In the goal of changing the storage of our data, he implemented 3 of ~10 behaviors of the existing library, and silently ignore all calls to the remaining 7. Guess which 3 were never used in the existing library!? :D 20 years "experience". Total incompetence. I should correct that: 17 years. After he was hired, during our first lunch together, he admitted he did nothing the last 3 of his previous employment, getting stuck in some org void where he just kept quiet and sat at his desk every day. Yes, I'm on my way out.
    - kstrauser 5mo ago
      Cowabunga. I do totally believe you, though. I was the guy doing fizzbuzz screens at a prior job. Before that, I would not have believed the failure rate for that step of the process. "The person has a job as a senior software engineer? Of course they'll ace fizzbuzz! It's insulting to even suggest otherwise!" And yet. I bet at least a third of the candidates simply could not pass that to save their lives. I went out of my way to be the friendly, relaxed, conversational interviewer, too. I never wanted to turn away a good candidate because I intimidated them or made them feel uncomfortable. And with all that, it still didn't work out. A concrete example: one person could not get it through their head that they could write a function to return the correct value, then unit test that function with arbitrary known values. My question: "how do you know if it gets the right answer for 1,000,000,000,005?" What I wanted: def fizzbuzz(n): ... assert fizzbuzz(1_000_000_000_005) == "fizzbuzz" or something similar. What they offered: "OK, we'll loop from 1 to n and write each of the values out. Then we can compare the contents of that file with a test case!" "How is that going to work for values like 1 trillion something?" "We can compress it!" "And how long is this unit test going to take?" "Well, let's assume we can process a million answers per second..." "Aren't you going to run out of hard drive space at some point?" "We can use `tail` to get the last few lines!" "OK, let's start over. Can you imagine any way to test some arbitrary value in O(1) time?" "Nope, can't be done." "Sigh."
      - nomel 5mo ago