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My local town runs their own license plate readers for red light and speed cameras. Not sure how the feds could get access to those.

masfuerte 5mo ago
By offering money?
- giantg2 5mo ago
  Or withholding money (grants).
chaps 5mo ago
Presumably it's a system that can be viewed from a phone or from dispatch remotely right? All they'd have to do is share the credentials and that's that.
testplzignore 5mo ago
The NSA would presumably have all of this. From a taxpayer perspective, it's such a waste to have multiple agencies doing their own unconstitutional surveillance. Why have two Ministries of Love when one would do? :)
- irishcoffee 5mo ago
  This is the purview of the FBI. The NSA is focused on the rest of the world. Is there overlap? Sure. But the amount of disinformation on the website about the FBI vs the NSA is comical. If anything, when people say “NSA” they really mean “CIA” and just don’t understand the difference.
  - cucumber3732842 5mo ago
    >The NSA is focused on the rest of the world. In the same way that the CIA doesn't sell cocaine. I'm sure they "mostly" focus externally but that doesn't mean they're not still doing a hell of a lot domestically.
    - convolvatron 5mo ago
      recently there has been some football and stopgap in congress about reauthorizing the patriot act permissions for the NSA to collect any communications where one endpoint is out of the country. so that's at least widely recognized and 'legal'
    - irishcoffee 5mo ago
      I covered this with: "Is there overlap? Sure." The FBI is the boogeyman everyone around these parts wants the NSA to be. The NSA has the skillset, they just don't use it like that, domestically. That was my point. Carry on. I don't mind if you agree or not.
      - joquarky 5mo ago
        > The NSA has the skillset, they just don't use it like that, domestically. That seems like a statement that needs backed up by sources.
        irishcoffee 5mo ago
        Fat chance. I don’t care if you believe me. I’m not lying to you.
        mothballed 5mo ago
        I believe you but this seems far more like HSI territory, who are comfortable, able, and excessively willing to overstep rights of both citizens and foreigners. They're also an underestimated agency that IIRC is larger than the FBI.
      - rockskon 5mo ago
        Intentionally collecting everything to include millions of U.S. persons data, say the collection was "incidental", put the computer equivalent of a removable sticky-note over their name to say it's been "minimized" and thus a-okay for the NSA to use... There is a debate the bulk of NSA's leadership has been wholly uninterested in having over what they do with regards to acquiring and parsing U.S. persons' private communications, instead preferring to use word-games and rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Everything I've seen about the NSA domestic collection debate and publishings and statements from officials have boiled down to: *The NSA taps communication sources they know with absolute certainty contains an enormous amount of U.S. persons' information because these sources also contain non-U.S. persons communications. An effort is made to remove U.S. persons' information from this programmatically but this step frequently leaves an enormous amount leftover. Despite this - the NSA intentionally parses these private communications - that include that of of millions of U.S. citizens - in bulk. That it isn't their intent or mission to specifically acquire and parse U.S. persons' communications are not germane considerations. Actions matter more than words. *The NSA justifies this by dint of "it's okay, everyone! We trust ourselves to never do anything bad with your information! We never meant to acquire it! But we did. And we will keep acquiring more of your info 'incidentally' as your privacy is something we are willing to sacrifice in our efforts to acquire foreign intelligence." *The NSA shares an enormous amount of U.S. persons' private communications with other intelligence agencies to include the FBI. Again - that it was not the NSA's intent nor mission to acquire the information to begin with is not relevant when they, nevertheless, keep getting the information!
dayofthedaleks 5mo ago
It already goes to your local DHS Fusion Center.
asdff 5mo ago
These have funny loopholes usually. For our county they have a few connected to running the red light for a busway. But notoriously the information is collected by some company out of state with no actual policing power, who then begs you to pay the ticket with a letter every couple months. You can actually ignore this if you avoid any sign of life that indicates you might have received the ticket, such as looking it up on the county ticket portal. They don't serve you or send it via certified mail. The county courts motioned years ago that they aren't enforcing these tickets. They don't affect your ability to renew your license, register your car, or insurance rates. They don't come up when you get pulled over for anything else. It is basically a scam to support the traffic ticket company out of state hoping you pay them and sustain their business model.
- jamiek88 5mo ago
  Except current immigration enforcement. Ignoring that is enough to have citizenship denied. Just happened to a friend of mine in Houston. Culture is to ignore, courts ignore, police don’t see it. USCIS do.
bl4kers 5mo ago
You sure that data is stored locally and not on a vendor's cloud offering?

masfuerte 5mo ago

By offering money?

giantg2 5mo ago
Or withholding money (grants).

chaps 5mo ago

Presumably it's a system that can be viewed from a phone or from dispatch remotely right? All they'd have to do is share the credentials and that's that.

testplzignore 5mo ago

The NSA would presumably have all of this. From a taxpayer perspective, it's such a waste to have multiple agencies doing their own unconstitutional surveillance. Why have two Ministries of Love when one would do? :)

irishcoffee 5mo ago
This is the purview of the FBI. The NSA is focused on the rest of the world. Is there overlap? Sure. But the amount of disinformation on the website about the FBI vs the NSA is comical. If anything, when people say “NSA” they really mean “CIA” and just don’t understand the difference.
- cucumber3732842 5mo ago
  >The NSA is focused on the rest of the world. In the same way that the CIA doesn't sell cocaine. I'm sure they "mostly" focus externally but that doesn't mean they're not still doing a hell of a lot domestically.
  - convolvatron 5mo ago
    recently there has been some football and stopgap in congress about reauthorizing the patriot act permissions for the NSA to collect any communications where one endpoint is out of the country. so that's at least widely recognized and 'legal'
  - irishcoffee 5mo ago
    I covered this with: "Is there overlap? Sure." The FBI is the boogeyman everyone around these parts wants the NSA to be. The NSA has the skillset, they just don't use it like that, domestically. That was my point. Carry on. I don't mind if you agree or not.
    - joquarky 5mo ago
      > The NSA has the skillset, they just don't use it like that, domestically. That seems like a statement that needs backed up by sources.
      - irishcoffee 5mo ago
        Fat chance. I don’t care if you believe me. I’m not lying to you.
        mothballed 5mo ago
        I believe you but this seems far more like HSI territory, who are comfortable, able, and excessively willing to overstep rights of both citizens and foreigners. They're also an underestimated agency that IIRC is larger than the FBI.
    - rockskon 5mo ago
      Intentionally collecting everything to include millions of U.S. persons data, say the collection was "incidental", put the computer equivalent of a removable sticky-note over their name to say it's been "minimized" and thus a-okay for the NSA to use... There is a debate the bulk of NSA's leadership has been wholly uninterested in having over what they do with regards to acquiring and parsing U.S. persons' private communications, instead preferring to use word-games and rhetorical sleight-of-hand. Everything I've seen about the NSA domestic collection debate and publishings and statements from officials have boiled down to: *The NSA taps communication sources they know with absolute certainty contains an enormous amount of U.S. persons' information because these sources also contain non-U.S. persons communications. An effort is made to remove U.S. persons' information from this programmatically but this step frequently leaves an enormous amount leftover. Despite this - the NSA intentionally parses these private communications - that include that of of millions of U.S. citizens - in bulk. That it isn't their intent or mission to specifically acquire and parse U.S. persons' communications are not germane considerations. Actions matter more than words. *The NSA justifies this by dint of "it's okay, everyone! We trust ourselves to never do anything bad with your information! We never meant to acquire it! But we did. And we will keep acquiring more of your info 'incidentally' as your privacy is something we are willing to sacrifice in our efforts to acquire foreign intelligence." *The NSA shares an enormous amount of U.S. persons' private communications with other intelligence agencies to include the FBI. Again - that it was not the NSA's intent nor mission to acquire the information to begin with is not relevant when they, nevertheless, keep getting the information!

dayofthedaleks 5mo ago

It already goes to your local DHS Fusion Center.

asdff 5mo ago

These have funny loopholes usually. For our county they have a few connected to running the red light for a busway. But notoriously the information is collected by some company out of state with no actual policing power, who then begs you to pay the ticket with a letter every couple months. You can actually ignore this if you avoid any sign of life that indicates you might have received the ticket, such as looking it up on the county ticket portal. They don't serve you or send it via certified mail. The county courts motioned years ago that they aren't enforcing these tickets. They don't affect your ability to renew your license, register your car, or insurance rates. They don't come up when you get pulled over for anything else. It is basically a scam to support the traffic ticket company out of state hoping you pay them and sustain their business model.

jamiek88 5mo ago
Except current immigration enforcement. Ignoring that is enough to have citizenship denied. Just happened to a friend of mine in Houston. Culture is to ignore, courts ignore, police don’t see it. USCIS do.

bl4kers 5mo ago

You sure that data is stored locally and not on a vendor's cloud offering?