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I think it's an interesting conversation; there's an assumption that "vibe coding is complete and incapable of creating Photoshop alternatives". But it's more

by erelong 5mo ago

I think it's an interesting conversation; there's an assumption that "vibe coding is complete and incapable of creating Photoshop alternatives". But it's more like, still open to debate but sounds likely: how long until vibe coding is powerful enough to generate Photoshop alternatives quickly? So yeah I think people would concede the point that vibe coding isn't quite all there yet; but is it there at the size of a function or module or collection of small pieces of code? Definitely. The other part of the conversation is about how AI-assisted coders may be doing other things than creating a Photoshop alternative. Maybe many of us don't need Photoshop and use something like Gimp instead. Maybe people feel existing software like Photoshop or its alternatives are "sufficient enough" so they're building something else instead. Maybe the people who use Photoshop lack incentives or skills to vibe code an app themselves, and maybe the people who don't use it aren't interested in creating a Photoshop alternative. Maybe there are other bottlenecks than just code generation that are holding back more alternatives being created: where to post code after you create it, when there is more "noise" online; of getting ideas for things to create in general, which might be a problem independent of AI; of other economic and social conditions that have people focused on solving other problems currently rather than creating a Photoshop alternative. So I think the point stands that we don't have the expected Photoshop alternatives currently, but I think we will probably see more of that in time, and we might also see AI be used in other ways than may be expected (another comment for example suggested maybe people might skip Photoshop altogether and just use AI to generate photos or effects; I can appreciate the idea that this doesn't replace how a lot of people use Photoshop, but on the other hand I can also think of some instances where it might for some people).

varispeed 5mo ago
Isn't it more like why would you want to vibe code Photoshop? It feels like a massive chore and will likely cost more to do than lifetime of your subscription, not to mention alternative cost of not being able to do other things because you are vibe coding photoshop.
seemaze 5mo ago
Where are the vibe coded Photoshops? Here is a good place to start: https://github.com/light-and-ray/awesome-alternative-uis-for-comfyui https://github.com/light-and-ray/awesome-alternative-uis-for... AI has obliviated both the need and the desire for discrete pixel manipulation outside of the existing professional disciplines. It has been replaced by the explosion of diffusion models with a direct human language --> pixel image loop.
- postexitus 5mo ago
  Nobody who wanted to erase a tree or fix their smile paid for Photoshop anyway. and Photoshop does a a lor more than pixel manipulation. So, a moot point.
  - seemaze 5mo ago
    >So, a moot point. That's exactly my point. Photoshop is the wrong bellwether with which to test the vibe coding value premise refuted by the author. It's like asking where all the skyscrapers are when The Home Depot opens up in your neighborhood. And as someone that's used photoshop professionally for decades, pixel manipulation is precisely what it does.

by erelong 5mo ago

varispeed 5mo ago

Isn't it more like why would you want to vibe code Photoshop? It feels like a massive chore and will likely cost more to do than lifetime of your subscription, not to mention alternative cost of not being able to do other things because you are vibe coding photoshop.

seemaze 5mo ago

Where are the vibe coded Photoshops? Here is a good place to start: https://github.com/light-and-ray/awesome-alternative-uis-for-comfyui https://github.com/light-and-ray/awesome-alternative-uis-for... AI has obliviated both the need and the desire for discrete pixel manipulation outside of the existing professional disciplines. It has been replaced by the explosion of diffusion models with a direct human language --> pixel image loop.

postexitus 5mo ago
Nobody who wanted to erase a tree or fix their smile paid for Photoshop anyway. and Photoshop does a a lor more than pixel manipulation. So, a moot point.
- seemaze 5mo ago
  >So, a moot point. That's exactly my point. Photoshop is the wrong bellwether with which to test the vibe coding value premise refuted by the author. It's like asking where all the skyscrapers are when The Home Depot opens up in your neighborhood. And as someone that's used photoshop professionally for decades, pixel manipulation is precisely what it does.