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Researchers Wanted Preschool Teachers to Wear Cameras to Train AI

96 points by cdrnsf 5mo ago

TruffleLabs 5mo ago
"The parent said, 'Only through questioning teachers and school administrators did we learn the researchers would put stickers on children who opted out, but no further information was provided on whether they would still be filmed.'" That labeling I'm sure would have social consequences- singling out people and giving them a label is a path toward exclusion in other activities and make wearing a sticker a sigma... :(
- palmotea 5mo ago
  As a practical matter, it's also just stupid. Preschoolers will take off stickers all the time. edit: fixed piratical typo
  - SapporoChris 5mo ago
    Ar matey, I am confused about your comments. Will the Preschoolers be sailing off on the high seas?
- ge96 5mo ago
  Not the star they wanted
- analogpixel 5mo ago
  until the kids start trading stickers with each other.
srameshc 5mo ago
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- yjftsjthsd-h 5mo ago
  > थhis What?
Simulacra 5mo ago
This is deeply troubling, parents should not have to press so hard on such issues. I've had a growing feeling that schools, and teachers, have been pushing far too much on isolating parents from decision-making about their children.
- JamesLeonis 5mo ago
  Dig deep enough and you'll find the lobbyist. > The University of Washington today announced that it is part of a multi-pronged grantmaking strategy from Ballmer Group aimed at drawing more people into careers in early childhood education in our state — including by providing more than 1,500 scholarships over the next eight years. > Ballmer Group is providing a set of gifts totaling more than $43 million to fund scholarships, leadership development and advocacy across multiple organizations, reducing the financial barriers that prevent talent from entering the early childhood workforce. The gifts ensure Washington can successfully implement the Fair Start for Kids Act and build racially diverse leadership in the broader policy field. https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/03/16/43-million-set-of-gifts-from-ballmer-group-to-bolster-early-learning-programs-in-washington-state/ https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/03/16/43-million-set-of... > The Ballmer Group has quietly emerged as a major player in the world of education venture-philanthropy, committing more than $250 million to K-12 related efforts during 2017 and 2018. As a limited liability corporation, the group is free to make charitable donations and for-profit investments—none of which have to be publicly disclosed. > The Ballmers have also gotten on board with the trend of merging charitable giving with venture-capital investments and calling it all philanthropy. > Those elements of the couple’s approach are reflected in their hefty investment in Social Solutions Global, to help the for-profit company develop nonprofit case-management software that will be able to integrate with the student information systems used by most K-12 school districts. > By structuring the Ballmer Group as an LLC, the Ballmers have certainly given themselves more levers to pull in service of their goals, said Reckhow, the Michigan State professor. But they also seem to have embraced the notion that billionaires working to reshape public policy and service delivery don’t need to be transparent about what they’re doing. > Officials from the Ballmer Group, however, told Education Week they would not commit to publicly disclose all the organization’s grants, investments, lobbying work, or support for elected officials and campaigns. https://www.edweek.org/leadership/ex-microsoft-ceo-no-not-that-one-giving-big-to-k-12/2019/03 https://www.edweek.org/leadership/ex-microsoft-ceo-no-not-th...
moomoo11 5mo ago
why can’t we have ai doing everything else so human to human interaction outside of work is free of tech and bullshit
pj_mukh 5mo ago
"The goal of this study is to better understand children’s everyday learning experiences and to develop Al tools that can help assess classroom interaction quality" This..feels like a worthy goal. Just switch the study to opt-in instead of opt-out and 404media can't get the "ER-MEH-GERD AI" click bait. This is not generative AI and the lead-researcher is an early-childhood education specialist [1]. My kid went to a UC Berkeley adjacent pre-school and had researchers come by all the time, filming and taking notes (after consent forms were signed). They would share their studies with us later, it was very illuminating. [1]: https://education.uw.edu/about/directory/gail-e-joseph https://education.uw.edu/about/directory/gail-e-joseph
- krupan 5mo ago
  Studies are great. Free training material for commercial AI products, not so great
  - pj_mukh 5mo ago
    “ material for commercial AI products” Where was there any indication this was that?
- Eddy_Viscosity2 5mo ago
  > "to develop Al tools that can help assess classroom interaction quality". This..feels like a worthy goal. Does it though? Do you really want everything, including caring for young children, to be quantified into metrics assessed by a computer?
  - pj_mukh 5mo ago
    We don’t have to make that number a goal. Contrary to popular pessimistic thought, not everything we measure becomes a goal. Most things we measure are actually ignored. I think to pre-emptively disregard research like this because “well it could be misused” is folly
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 5mo ago
standbyme 5mo ago
that's sad
pinewurst 5mo ago
https://archive.ph/rY1vW https://archive.ph/rY1vW

96 points by cdrnsf 5mo ago

"The parent said, 'Only through questioning teachers and school administrators did we learn the researchers would put stickers on children who opted out, but no further information was provided on whether they would still be filmed.'" That labeling I'm sure would have social consequences- singling out people and giving them a label is a path toward exclusion in other activities and make wearing a sticker a sigma... :(

palmotea 5mo ago
As a practical matter, it's also just stupid. Preschoolers will take off stickers all the time. edit: fixed piratical typo
- SapporoChris 5mo ago
  Ar matey, I am confused about your comments. Will the Preschoolers be sailing off on the high seas?
ge96 5mo ago
Not the star they wanted
analogpixel 5mo ago
until the kids start trading stickers with each other.

srameshc 5mo ago

[flagged]

yjftsjthsd-h 5mo ago
> थhis What?

Simulacra 5mo ago

This is deeply troubling, parents should not have to press so hard on such issues. I've had a growing feeling that schools, and teachers, have been pushing far too much on isolating parents from decision-making about their children.

JamesLeonis 5mo ago
Dig deep enough and you'll find the lobbyist. > The University of Washington today announced that it is part of a multi-pronged grantmaking strategy from Ballmer Group aimed at drawing more people into careers in early childhood education in our state — including by providing more than 1,500 scholarships over the next eight years. > Ballmer Group is providing a set of gifts totaling more than $43 million to fund scholarships, leadership development and advocacy across multiple organizations, reducing the financial barriers that prevent talent from entering the early childhood workforce. The gifts ensure Washington can successfully implement the Fair Start for Kids Act and build racially diverse leadership in the broader policy field. https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/03/16/43-million-set-of-gifts-from-ballmer-group-to-bolster-early-learning-programs-in-washington-state/ https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/03/16/43-million-set-of... > The Ballmer Group has quietly emerged as a major player in the world of education venture-philanthropy, committing more than $250 million to K-12 related efforts during 2017 and 2018. As a limited liability corporation, the group is free to make charitable donations and for-profit investments—none of which have to be publicly disclosed. > The Ballmers have also gotten on board with the trend of merging charitable giving with venture-capital investments and calling it all philanthropy. > Those elements of the couple’s approach are reflected in their hefty investment in Social Solutions Global, to help the for-profit company develop nonprofit case-management software that will be able to integrate with the student information systems used by most K-12 school districts. > By structuring the Ballmer Group as an LLC, the Ballmers have certainly given themselves more levers to pull in service of their goals, said Reckhow, the Michigan State professor. But they also seem to have embraced the notion that billionaires working to reshape public policy and service delivery don’t need to be transparent about what they’re doing. > Officials from the Ballmer Group, however, told Education Week they would not commit to publicly disclose all the organization’s grants, investments, lobbying work, or support for elected officials and campaigns. https://www.edweek.org/leadership/ex-microsoft-ceo-no-not-that-one-giving-big-to-k-12/2019/03 https://www.edweek.org/leadership/ex-microsoft-ceo-no-not-th...

moomoo11 5mo ago

why can’t we have ai doing everything else so human to human interaction outside of work is free of tech and bullshit

pj_mukh 5mo ago

"The goal of this study is to better understand children’s everyday learning experiences and to develop Al tools that can help assess classroom interaction quality" This..feels like a worthy goal. Just switch the study to opt-in instead of opt-out and 404media can't get the "ER-MEH-GERD AI" click bait. This is not generative AI and the lead-researcher is an early-childhood education specialist [1]. My kid went to a UC Berkeley adjacent pre-school and had researchers come by all the time, filming and taking notes (after consent forms were signed). They would share their studies with us later, it was very illuminating. [1]: https://education.uw.edu/about/directory/gail-e-joseph https://education.uw.edu/about/directory/gail-e-joseph

krupan 5mo ago
Studies are great. Free training material for commercial AI products, not so great
- pj_mukh 5mo ago
  “ material for commercial AI products” Where was there any indication this was that?
Eddy_Viscosity2 5mo ago
> "to develop Al tools that can help assess classroom interaction quality". This..feels like a worthy goal. Does it though? Do you really want everything, including caring for young children, to be quantified into metrics assessed by a computer?
- pj_mukh 5mo ago
  We don’t have to make that number a goal. Contrary to popular pessimistic thought, not everything we measure becomes a goal. Most things we measure are actually ignored. I think to pre-emptively disregard research like this because “well it could be misused” is folly
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 5mo ago

standbyme 5mo ago

that's sad

pinewurst 5mo ago

https://archive.ph/rY1vW https://archive.ph/rY1vW