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> “If you’d let me make this point, please —” Schmidt said amid boos. “The point I’d like to make is choose a diversity of perspectives, including the perspecti
by rdtsc 5mo ago
> “If you’d let me make this point, please —” Schmidt said amid boos. “The point I’d like to make is choose a diversity of perspectives, including the perspective of the immigrant who has so often been the person who came to this country and made it better. America is at its best when we are the country that ambitious people want to come to. Let us not lose that.”
How does that tie in? You have to like AI because of immigrants? AI is like an immigrant, you have to accept it? What’s the logic here, or he’s just throwing random phrases around, it seems.
- 329a8Hqag 5mo agoIt means nothing, as you imply. He is improvising and deflects with a point that he thinks will land with his audience and detract from the issue.
- kubb 5mo agoUtterances that come out of executive’s mouths don’t have truth values. They’re sounds meant to irritate people’s nervous systems to achieve the exec’s goals.
- new_account_100 5mo ago[flagged]
- setsewerd 5mo agoRelevant Kendall Roy quote: "Words are just uh, what? Nothing. Complicated airflow."
- new_account_100 5mo ago[flagged]
- new_account_100 5mo agoDidn't we just put millions of immigrants in concentration camps for stealing our jobs (1 job per immigrant)? With that in mind, what should we do with the bosses who stole thousands of jobs each and shipped them to India and Poland?
- draftsman 5mo agoDo you have a source for your “millions” claim? Every source I can find says there are somewhere between 60 and 70 thousand immigrants currently in detention centers, based on internal ICE data. That’s still a fuck-ton of people to cage up, there’s no need to hyperbolize.
- 1234letshaveatw 5mo agoYes they were literally genocided
- new_account_100 5mo agoIf we didn't go far enough, let's make sure we don't make the same mistake with the bosses.
- newsclues 5mo agoWhat if they take your jobs for a fraction of your worth, and drive up the cost of living, while extracting massive subsidies from your taxes? You love the people who destroy your quality of life? For the record, I love real diversity, I grew up in home where we have exchange students from abroad (to help pay the bills), but in Canada, the last 10 years or so has soured my opinion because my standard of living has decreased while my government has done everything to support new Canadians, and now I am close to homeless in a town where the new hotel is filled with government funded new Canadians.
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- enoint 5mo agoSounds more like 534 years.
- new_account_100 5mo ago[dead]
- jrsj 5mo agoActually partly yes, my grandmother was. That isn’t the point though, I just have an expectation that people should be treated fairly and not discriminated against regardless of their background and frankly many people who come here particularly from South Asia do not hold those values at all, and I’ve seen this negatively impact Americans from many different ethnic backgrounds.
- grim_io 5mo agoI get your frustrations, but maybe the root of those issues is more complicated than "the outsiders". Sadly I got nothing more to contribute. Good luck.
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- gdulli 5mo agoHe's trying to virtue signal based on an understanding of young people's values that's so unsophisticated that he thinks throwing them the word "immigrant" will get them on his side. And they're obviously smart enough to see through it.
- newsclues 5mo ago[flagged]
- bombcar 5mo agoIt's a rhetorical attempt to tie "those who dislike AI" to "those who dislike immigrants, and we all know they're super-duper evil". It's a relatively cheap trick, badly executed.
- sigmoid10 5mo ago[flagged]
- iugtmkbdfil834 5mo agoWhile as argument, it may work, it does not seem to be conservatives that are afraid of AI ( at least in public fora ). But that is separate from your point on class type ( the rich ), which seems to be reason why it does not land well ( for me at least ).
- sigmoid10 5mo agoThe reason why this seems weird to you (and many other people for sure) is that current "conservative" politicians are actually more neoliberals than conservatives. So of course they will push cheap labour, offshoring, outsourcing and eventually AI. But it shouldn't be hard to understand actual conservative ideology here, since, like, it's already in the word.
- phainopepla2 5mo agoYou're right about conservatism as long as you take a nearly archaic definition of the word (and I lament how the definition has changed, but it is what it is). You're wrong about the other side of the aisle, though. People who are otherwise pro immigration, pro social change, pro downwards wealth redistribution, etc. (in other words, not at all conservative), are typically against AI.
- sigmoid10 5mo ago>as long as you take a nearly archaic definition of the word This is not a question of definition. Conservatism is what I wrote, period. See e.g.: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/ The issue here is that most Americans no longer have any clue what it actually means, because they only associate party politics with it that are by now completely disconnected. But the definition itself has never changed. >People who are otherwise pro immigration, pro social change, pro downwards wealth redistribution, etc. are typically against AI. Are they? This is a pretty rigorous statement mixing in a lot of smaller ones and thus would need some actual data to back it up. I know many people I would classify as traditional "liberals" by the virtues you describe, but who are very much pro new tech and by extension, pro-AI. They are only against if they fall for the usual social media doomsayers, but from my experience they are more likely to do so the less they know or care about new technology (which in some sense directly translates to higher conservatism too I suppose).
- rowanG077 5mo agoI think he is saying that if you are against AI you are against progress and so "America will no longer be the country that ambitious people want to come to". I don't think there was a point there about immigration being somehow equivalent to AI, that would come out of nowhere.
- drakonka 5mo agoThat seems like a really tenuous connection for him to make if that's what he's doing. I find it difficult to believe that ambitious people outside of a certain niche would refuse to come to the US because of perceived lack of AI progress. They'd refuse/are refusing to come because of the US's increasing hostility to outsiders, cutting of research funding, and subpar living conditions.
- lancebeet 5mo agoI think his train of thought is "young graduates generally aren't anti-immigration, so if I insinuate they're anti-immigration if they disagree with me they will be convinced by my argument". I don't think we need to read much more than that into it.
- swasheck 5mo agothis is how i took it as well. he’s creating a false equivalency between AI and immigrants, and attempting to justify it with “diversity of perspectives” and trying to tell you that to remain intellectually consistent you must embrace or reject both.
- new_account_100 5mo agoI agree. I think it's telling that AI leaders need to rely on fallacious reasoning and trickery to promote their product. A good product should sell itself. I feel that AI leaders have been shoving their product down our throats for the last two years (at least).
- surgical_fire 5mo agoIt's important to realize that those people are sociopaths. They delight in the suffering of the common man through their complete lack of empathy. Also, just because they are very good at climbing the corporate ladder (which is a skill on its own), it doesn't necessarily translate to them being particularly smart on fields beyond their expertise.
- new_account_100 5mo ago> It's important to realize that those people are sociopaths. They delight in the suffering of the common man. > Also, just because they are very good at climbing the corporate ladder (which is a skill on its own), it doesn't necessarily translate to them particularly smart on fields beyond their expertise. I couldn't agree more. Thank you for your comment!
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- finnthehuman 5mo ago> What’s the logic here Tenuous connection between unrelated topics to fit them into larger ingroup/outgroup dynamics is the junkfood of persuasion tactics. Bad for you but addictive anyway. If you look for it you'll see it all the time.
- somedude895 5mo ago"If you don't like AI, you're a nazi."
- arkh 5mo agoAnd remember: they don't call you a nazi because they think you are. They call you a nazi to make you a valid target.
- oblio 5mo agoAre there many cases where calling someone a Nazi - especially powerful people - actually did something to their lives? Ruin their careers, ruin them financially, led to their family breaking up?
- elcritch 5mo agoTrump has had how many assassination attempts now? The attempt in Pennsylvania killed an innocent bystander, a father, in the crowd. Charlie Kirk was called Nazi by many and eventually shot dead in front of his children. So yes, unfortunately.
- oblio 5mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump_in_Pennsylvania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Don... > FBI deputy director Paul Abbate called Crooks's activity on social networking services antisemitic, anti-immigrant, extreme, and espousing political violence. Hmm....
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- jiaosdjf 5mo agoGenerous interpretation: instead of pearl-clutching over ethnicities and traditionalism America invited the world to immigrate and encouraged diverse ideas and industries. Other societies have shunned even foreign food and music (most countries barely have different races), never mind porn industry ('burn the degenerates'), space travel ('why waste money on the moon'), nuclear power, computers etc. Is AI not yet another industry that is easy to disregard yet potentially transformative? Corporate interpretation: listen you filthy cattle, gen-AI is bottoming out all our pesky human labour costs and allowing me and my friends to milk every last drop out of this late-stage capitalist nightmare, you better get used to it because from now on 99% of you will just have to make do scraping by in the gig economy, selling your bodies or just generally being dancing monkeys for billionaires - we'll still hire some of you as nurses and waiters because we don't exactly want clankers looking after our kids
- watwut 5mo agoIsn't that generous interpretation, like, profoundly idiotic if he meant it? Major multiracial feature of America happened due to slave trade at the time when genocide of native Americans was also going on. Other countries have porn industry, actually a lot of it. Other countries have nuclear power, but America is just in one war claiming it wants to stop the other country from the nuclear power. Other countries typically have tons of foreign music and entertainment, most notably American music. America is the one that seems to be looking inwards here (due to being dominant on an international market - I am not saying it is sinister).
- jiaosdjf 5mo agoI think thats missing the point. Being multiracial is a function of being open, not a means to the end. America is a can-do country that generally embraces new things, which includes 'new people' and new ways. I'm not American but for all its faults I can see it is clearly miles ahead in terms of economics, innovation and generally being the worlds only "real" new-world diverse democracy. Yes it is pretty much run by corporate interests and yes it has started almost every war in the Middle East in the past century for the benefit of AIPAC. Yes it has skipped almost all the benefits of socialism that I enjoy as a European, and of the 50 most dangerous cities in the world I think ~48 are in North and South America. Other countries do not "typically have tons of foreign music" - China is 99% ethnic Chinese, black people are basically not even allowed in restaurants there. The same goes for India and much of Africa. Europe is closest and the UK probably bridges the attitudes of Europe and America the most - which is why the UK also pioneered things like computing and multiculturalism.
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- fireflash38 5mo agoYou're not wrong. It's almost a religious fervor. And much like so many religious figures, you get a sort of Rorschach test on how you use/view it. Is it a tool? Is it going to make humans obsolete? Doesn't matter because if you don't praise and adore AI the [market|capital] will leave you behind. It's pervasive as fuck. I go into stores with local artists and can't help but think what of this was made with AI. It draws me more towards physical things that cannot have been tainted.
- deadbabe 5mo agoEven the downvotes on my post are very telling of what the sentiment is in tech. In this new age, getting any kind of enjoyment from something digital just feels icky now.
- hardbass 5mo agoIf you asked me I'd have said there is a religious fervor against AI. Everyone seems to have weird superstitious shaking terror of AI. It's a tool, an incredibly transformative tool, and potentially also a lifeform. What's not to be excited about it? I don't care much whether something was made with an AI assistance. Do you check your furniture for if it was made in a CNC mill? What about a circular saw, is that bad? Handsaws? That's still incredibly high tech, the kind of steel for panel style saws was only really perfected in the 18th century. If it has the shape and structure of a table, its a table to me. If it has the shape and structure of a painting, its a painting to me.
- palmotea 5mo ago> How does that tie in? You have to like AI because of immigrants? AI is like an immigrant, you have to accept it? What’s the logic here, or he’s just throwing random phrases around, it seems. Maybe it ties in because, if you're not excited and enthusiastic about AI and our new Ways of Working, you're a racist. You don't want to be a racist, do you? AI is basically exactly like a black person getting chased by a lynch mob. Do you stand with the racist lynchers? Or with the civil rights movement (the billionaire AI promoters).
- swasheck 5mo agothere is no logic - just fallacy. it is a red herring, wrapped up in equivocation. he commits appeal to emotion, non sequitur, false equivalence along the way.
- pj_mukh 5mo agoActual generous interpretation: The adaptation required as workplaces adopt AI is the same as the ones immigrants have to go through in a new country. There's new modes of thinking, new workflows and an expanded surface of responsibility. Those that expect an easy definable role they can plug themselves into, to get the comfortable jobs (tm) of yesterday will not find those readily. They are there though, they just look different. The working immigrant (usually) doesn't find a spot for them to plug into, they have to hustle and adapt to find such a spot. Corporate bosses have been screaming for more "hustle-y" employees for decades so that is nothing new.
- disqard 5mo agoThat's a pretty good steelman. I do think there's a gestalt (esp. among younger folks) of "AI is bad", to put it bluntly. An anecdote I saw today was: parent: we're having dinosaur meat for dinner tonight. kid: oh, that's just AI. (i.e. "that's made-up" or "that's silly" or "that's just lies") -- none of which are a positive sentiment)
- everdrive 5mo agoIt's a pretty classic move. "My political party stands for freedom and prosperity; you can't be against those things, can you?"
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- bdnk1 5mo agoNew expansion, AI = artificial immigrant
- Insimwytim 5mo agoSomebody said "alien" she thought they said "illegal alien" and signed up! P.S. I just couldn't resist, sorry
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5mo agoWouldnt a "diversity or perpsectives" would include those that differ from that of Silicon Valley
- gbell12 4mo agoWTF - that wasn't the sequence of his statements. Are you some sort of engagement bot trying to stir up anger? The boos about AI: https://www.youtube.com/live/b1eM3jv0vWY?si=aouJBuUZxul40LAr&t=8292 https://www.youtube.com/live/b1eM3jv0vWY?si=aouJBuUZxul40LAr... The "If you'd let me make this point, please", 75 seconds later: https://www.youtube.com/live/b1eM3jv0vWY?si=5sG8c5qEcaXOwmAv&t=8367 https://www.youtube.com/live/b1eM3jv0vWY?si=5sG8c5qEcaXOwmAv...