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200 years ago people would have booed the industrial revolution. They shouldn't boo the amazing technology, but instead cheer for this liberation from toil and

by Sol- 4mo ago

200 years ago people would have booed the industrial revolution. They shouldn't boo the amazing technology, but instead cheer for this liberation from toil and find ways to equitably distribute its benefits.

sevenzero 4mo ago
Turns out the industrial revolution doomed us for short term luxury in the grand scheme of things.
StevenWaterman 4mo ago
I agree with your premise, but let's not pretend we did a good job equitably distributing the benefits of the industrial revolution
nathanaldensr 4mo ago
Not everyone characterizes AI as "liberation from toil," and many are skeptical that any "equitable distribution of benefits" will occur in the first place. That's the point.
dude250711 4mo ago
In France and Russia there also had been revolutions. They have found a way to distribute.
embedding-shape 4mo ago
> They shouldn't boo the amazing technology, but instead cheer for this liberation from toil Come on, we're all adults and well-aware that if companies find a way to make people more productive, it just means they'll expect more, not that we'll get more free-time.
- Sol- 4mo ago
  Both sides are at fault here, no? A consumer could work part-time and live as well or even much better as someone 50 years ago, but they largely don't want to. I do concede of course that housing is a bit limiting factor here and my "just adapt your lifestyle" doesn't fully hold.
  - ricree 4mo ago
    Can they? In most places with any sort of economic opportunity, I have a very hard time believing that part time earnings would get you housing on par with a full time earner in 1976.
    - sevenzero 4mo ago
      They cant. Tech workers are just disconnected from real wages. Most people I know spend easily 40-60% of their monthly income on rent alone (if you're in University it'll be easily 80%+), all work full time. And thats in Europe, where living costs usually are much lower than in America. Some people just never leave their privileged circle and assume most people could get there somehow. I for sure couldn't afford a 50% pay cut. (4000€ pre tax, ~2500€ post tax) This doesnt even get me a good flat in Germany.
dannersy 4mo ago
This post is delusional. There nothing liberating about generative AI and folks aren't investing hundreds of billions because they think it will liberate people.
gilrain 4mo ago
> cheer for this liberation from toil and find ways to equitably distribute its benefits Why would you think that will happen? You seem aware of, for instance, the Industrial Revolution and what it has ultimately resulted in.
deanmoriarty 4mo ago
Once liberated from toil, how are these kids going to pay for rent?

by Sol- 4mo ago

sevenzero 4mo ago

Turns out the industrial revolution doomed us for short term luxury in the grand scheme of things.

StevenWaterman 4mo ago

I agree with your premise, but let's not pretend we did a good job equitably distributing the benefits of the industrial revolution

nathanaldensr 4mo ago

Not everyone characterizes AI as "liberation from toil," and many are skeptical that any "equitable distribution of benefits" will occur in the first place. That's the point.

dude250711 4mo ago

In France and Russia there also had been revolutions. They have found a way to distribute.

embedding-shape 4mo ago

> They shouldn't boo the amazing technology, but instead cheer for this liberation from toil Come on, we're all adults and well-aware that if companies find a way to make people more productive, it just means they'll expect more, not that we'll get more free-time.

Sol- 4mo ago
Both sides are at fault here, no? A consumer could work part-time and live as well or even much better as someone 50 years ago, but they largely don't want to. I do concede of course that housing is a bit limiting factor here and my "just adapt your lifestyle" doesn't fully hold.
- ricree 4mo ago
  Can they? In most places with any sort of economic opportunity, I have a very hard time believing that part time earnings would get you housing on par with a full time earner in 1976.
  - sevenzero 4mo ago
    They cant. Tech workers are just disconnected from real wages. Most people I know spend easily 40-60% of their monthly income on rent alone (if you're in University it'll be easily 80%+), all work full time. And thats in Europe, where living costs usually are much lower than in America. Some people just never leave their privileged circle and assume most people could get there somehow. I for sure couldn't afford a 50% pay cut. (4000€ pre tax, ~2500€ post tax) This doesnt even get me a good flat in Germany.

dannersy 4mo ago

This post is delusional. There nothing liberating about generative AI and folks aren't investing hundreds of billions because they think it will liberate people.

gilrain 4mo ago

> cheer for this liberation from toil and find ways to equitably distribute its benefits Why would you think that will happen? You seem aware of, for instance, the Industrial Revolution and what it has ultimately resulted in.

deanmoriarty 4mo ago

Once liberated from toil, how are these kids going to pay for rent?