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For one thing, we were promised AI and we got... a chatbot. So it pretty much starts with the lies and scams. You could argue this is the same cultural force b

For one thing, we were promised AI and we got... a chatbot. So it pretty much starts with the lies and scams. You could argue this is the same cultural force behind NFTs for instance.

stavros 5mo ago
What kind of AI were you expecting that wouldn't be "a chatbot"?
- hackable_sand 5mo ago
  It's hard to say. Perhaps being at the epicenter of Silicon Valley's nouveau AI revolution tinted my glasses. But I remember a distinct air of optimism, that humanity was working towards some breakthrough in the fundamental secrets of consciousness. Let me be frank, it doesn't matter how well the machine works if it is weaponized against people. If it systematically degrades our humanity. I am a pacifist, so I believe in the inherit value of living things. I expected something graceful and beautiful, with unquestionable value to the people interacting with it. Instead Silicon Valley produced slave-humunculi, stunted aberrations of "intelligence". This entire movement is basically a two-faced insult to life. -- That being said, for all the things LLMs are capable of, you could pay a living, breathing person to do, more efficiently, faster, and for cheaper. So the entire effort was for... what?
  - CHB0403085482 5mo ago
    AI on chess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5EFsSbQ7U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5EFsSbQ7U
- bigstrat2003 5mo ago
  For one thing, I would've expected it to actually have intelligence. All we currently have is a stochastic parrot without any intelligence or ability to reason.
  - fragmede 5mo ago
    Any? How do you want to define intelligence and ability to reason? Yes, LLMs predict the next word, but somewhere during tokenization and training and the billions of parameters, it might be a Chinese room, but there's something resembling a non-zero amount of intelligence. How intelligent do you think crows or pigs are?

For one thing, we were promised AI and we got... a chatbot. So it pretty much starts with the lies and scams. You could argue this is the same cultural force behind NFTs for instance.

stavros 5mo ago

What kind of AI were you expecting that wouldn't be "a chatbot"?

hackable_sand 5mo ago
It's hard to say. Perhaps being at the epicenter of Silicon Valley's nouveau AI revolution tinted my glasses. But I remember a distinct air of optimism, that humanity was working towards some breakthrough in the fundamental secrets of consciousness. Let me be frank, it doesn't matter how well the machine works if it is weaponized against people. If it systematically degrades our humanity. I am a pacifist, so I believe in the inherit value of living things. I expected something graceful and beautiful, with unquestionable value to the people interacting with it. Instead Silicon Valley produced slave-humunculi, stunted aberrations of "intelligence". This entire movement is basically a two-faced insult to life. -- That being said, for all the things LLMs are capable of, you could pay a living, breathing person to do, more efficiently, faster, and for cheaper. So the entire effort was for... what?
- CHB0403085482 5mo ago
  AI on chess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5EFsSbQ7U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5EFsSbQ7U
bigstrat2003 5mo ago
For one thing, I would've expected it to actually have intelligence. All we currently have is a stochastic parrot without any intelligence or ability to reason.
- fragmede 5mo ago
  Any? How do you want to define intelligence and ability to reason? Yes, LLMs predict the next word, but somewhere during tokenization and training and the billions of parameters, it might be a Chinese room, but there's something resembling a non-zero amount of intelligence. How intelligent do you think crows or pigs are?