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I felt a bit similar about electric cars with a trunk in the front where the engine would sit in an ICE car. But that's more about esthetic expectations, like t

by c7b 5mo ago

I felt a bit similar about electric cars with a trunk in the front where the engine would sit in an ICE car. But that's more about esthetic expectations, like the first cars looked similar to horse carriages.

cf100clunk 5mo ago
VW Beetle?
elzbardico 5mo ago
But here the space also have the role of serving as a crumple zone in case of frontal collisions
- CarVac 5mo ago
  If you can put something in it it doesn't count as crumple zone and the car has to be engineered with a separate crumple zone anyway.
  - cucumber3732842 5mo ago
    Collapsing trunks have been a thing since the 90s. There's no regulatory requirement for crumple zones. There's regulatory requirements for performance. The cheapest/easiest way to meet these is crumple zones. Your luggage and golf clubs aren't gonna do squat in a collision. The regulators don't care that about the one in a million chance that someone gets into an accident a) where crumple zones matter b) while hauling objects so solid they don't just round to "no effect" because they have bigger fish to fry and if you create a "standard loading" for the test the OEMs will simply design to that and basically create a bunch of work and expense for marginal benefit.
  - elzbardico 5mo ago
    Yeah, but not many people have the habit of hauling solid I-beams of steel in their "frunks". I don't really believe the average groceries load will add that much rigidity to this space as deny its function as a crumple zone.
gwbas1c 5mo ago
I've lost count of the number of people who I've had to explain that, on long trips, you don't "stop to charge." You charge where you stop to poop.
- devilbunny 5mo ago
  I don’t dislike electric cars, but I don’t poop every 3 hours, and it doesn’t take 30 minutes to do so. When EVs can reliably (including charging infrastructure) do charging as fast as ICE refuels, with 300 miles/500 km between 20-80%, they will win with most people in the US and Canada. Otherwise, we just drive too far, too often. It’s not far off. But until then, it’s not truly a replacement for ICE. Yes, I really do drive for 4-5 hours without stopping, several times a year.
  - kleiba2 5mo ago
    > I don’t dislike electric cars, but I don’t poop every 3 hours, and it doesn’t take 30 minutes to do so. Clearly you don't eat enough fiber!
  - gmac 5mo ago
    Do you really find you can reliably sustain your full attention that long? My EV can do 3 – 5 hours on the motorway between charges (depending on weather conditions and speed), but to avoid fatigue I always want a break within 3 hours or so. And by the time I've parked, gone inside, queued up for and drunk a tea or coffee, used the facilities, and checked the next leg of my trip, that's half an hour and the car is ready to go again.
    - devilbunny 5mo ago
      > parked, gone inside, queued up for and drunk a tea or coffee, used the facilities, and checked the next leg of my trip You and I have very, very different approaches to driving long distances. I don’t get drinks, I don’t eat. So except for once, a couple of hours after departure, no bathroom breaks.l 5 hours between charges at a steady 75-80 mph (120-130 km/h) would be impressive range, though.

by c7b 5mo ago

cf100clunk 5mo ago

VW Beetle?

elzbardico 5mo ago

But here the space also have the role of serving as a crumple zone in case of frontal collisions

CarVac 5mo ago
If you can put something in it it doesn't count as crumple zone and the car has to be engineered with a separate crumple zone anyway.
- cucumber3732842 5mo ago
  Collapsing trunks have been a thing since the 90s. There's no regulatory requirement for crumple zones. There's regulatory requirements for performance. The cheapest/easiest way to meet these is crumple zones. Your luggage and golf clubs aren't gonna do squat in a collision. The regulators don't care that about the one in a million chance that someone gets into an accident a) where crumple zones matter b) while hauling objects so solid they don't just round to "no effect" because they have bigger fish to fry and if you create a "standard loading" for the test the OEMs will simply design to that and basically create a bunch of work and expense for marginal benefit.
- elzbardico 5mo ago
  Yeah, but not many people have the habit of hauling solid I-beams of steel in their "frunks". I don't really believe the average groceries load will add that much rigidity to this space as deny its function as a crumple zone.

gwbas1c 5mo ago

I've lost count of the number of people who I've had to explain that, on long trips, you don't "stop to charge." You charge where you stop to poop.

devilbunny 5mo ago
I don’t dislike electric cars, but I don’t poop every 3 hours, and it doesn’t take 30 minutes to do so. When EVs can reliably (including charging infrastructure) do charging as fast as ICE refuels, with 300 miles/500 km between 20-80%, they will win with most people in the US and Canada. Otherwise, we just drive too far, too often. It’s not far off. But until then, it’s not truly a replacement for ICE. Yes, I really do drive for 4-5 hours without stopping, several times a year.
- kleiba2 5mo ago
  > I don’t dislike electric cars, but I don’t poop every 3 hours, and it doesn’t take 30 minutes to do so. Clearly you don't eat enough fiber!
- gmac 5mo ago
  Do you really find you can reliably sustain your full attention that long? My EV can do 3 – 5 hours on the motorway between charges (depending on weather conditions and speed), but to avoid fatigue I always want a break within 3 hours or so. And by the time I've parked, gone inside, queued up for and drunk a tea or coffee, used the facilities, and checked the next leg of my trip, that's half an hour and the car is ready to go again.
  - devilbunny 5mo ago
    > parked, gone inside, queued up for and drunk a tea or coffee, used the facilities, and checked the next leg of my trip You and I have very, very different approaches to driving long distances. I don’t get drinks, I don’t eat. So except for once, a couple of hours after departure, no bathroom breaks.l 5 hours between charges at a steady 75-80 mph (120-130 km/h) would be impressive range, though.