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Context: the popular account is a promoter of Muslim Brotherhood, banned by US and many Mideast countries.

by 737min 5mo ago

spwa4 5mo ago
It goes quite a bit further: the Muslim Brotherhood are fascists (as in actual fascists) and (religous) racists, of the supremacist kind. They are in control of the most famous university in islamic countries: Al-Azhar. Long ago they were a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and today are known for being the parent organization of Hamas and they are supporting the genocide in Sudan (meaning they are sponsoring Arabs committing genocides on black Africans (muslim black Africans if that matters), because they're black) They are considered a terrorist organization by most countries, including their host country of Egypt.
- regularization 5mo ago
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  - spwa4 5mo ago
    And that's supposed to explain it? They knew about the holocaust and chose to support it. Was there a reason for that? Yes, of course. That's not the point. The point is they supported it, knowing full well what they were supporting.
    - ipaddr 5mo ago
      That's a silly point of view when the truth about the holocaust came out after the war. Time traveling point of views are not allowed.
      - DSingularity 5mo ago
        Of course that is logical but you really should learn to distrust your logic. Logic can easily end up leading you to antisemitic ideas. Same with humanitarian ideas about Palestinians and such. It’s best if you just let the Zionists do as they will without any criticism.
      - spwa4 5mo ago
        Okay, you're making me say it. The muslim brotherhood recruited Yugoslav muslims to form SS extermination squads to help with the holocaust. Oh and in case that's not convincing enough: there's transcripts of their discussions with the Nazi government where they openly discussed exactly what these armed units they were creating and putting under SS command were for. In detail. Sadly, not a "silly point of view".
- ebbi 5mo ago
  Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Just a yes or no will be fine.
  - DSingularity 5mo ago
    How antisemitic. You aren’t allowed to critique them. Yes even if they rape their prisoners and defend their rapists in parliament and on TV.
    - propagandist 5mo ago
      "We will build an ethnostate and if you don't like that, you're a Nazi."
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Muslim Brotherhood is a coherent organisation, so we can meaningfully talk about its beliefs. Asking whether "Zionists" are fascist is as incohrent as asking if Antifa "believes" in anything. These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks. Fundamentally, nothing about Zionism strikes me as requiring fascism or religious supremacy (though it does require religious segregation).
    - ebbi 5mo ago
      > These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks. Yeah, there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist. There's no state in the Middle East born from this ideology. There aren't political organisations that bribe US politicians to influence US government. There aren't organisations that hose real estate meetings in Synagogues to sell illegal lands for people to make Aliyah. Definitely just a loose collection of aligned folks. Yep.
      - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
        > there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist That you have to put up straw men sort of proves my point. Yes, there are coherent Zionist organisations (including political parties and lobbying groups). Some (perhaps many, hell, maybe even most) of these are fascist and ethno-religious supremacist. We can make meaningful statements about them because, as you said, they're "coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist". Trying to expand that to "Zionists" in general isn't meaningful unless you're constructing a totem to pillory.
- johnyzee 5mo ago
  This is ridiculous. The only ones afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood are Middle Eastern dictatorships, who would rather not see a political movement take popular hold.
- za3faran 5mo ago
  No, they do not control Al-Azhar.
  - ebbi 5mo ago
    Read his replies below. Total grifter, that just makes up things and can't provide sources when probed.
hsuduebc2 5mo ago
This seems to be "unverified accusations from critics". It's not really fair to accuse someone from this. Do not underestimate Meta for being purely immoral. I'm pretty sure they would assisted russians with persecution if they wouldn't be sure now about potential backlash.
regularization 5mo ago
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propagandist 5mo ago
Citation needed.

Context: the popular account is a promoter of Muslim Brotherhood, banned by US and many Mideast countries.

by 737min 5mo ago

Context: the popular account is a promoter of Muslim Brotherhood, banned by US and many Mideast countries.

spwa4 5mo ago

It goes quite a bit further: the Muslim Brotherhood are fascists (as in actual fascists) and (religous) racists, of the supremacist kind. They are in control of the most famous university in islamic countries: Al-Azhar. Long ago they were a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and today are known for being the parent organization of Hamas and they are supporting the genocide in Sudan (meaning they are sponsoring Arabs committing genocides on black Africans (muslim black Africans if that matters), because they're black) They are considered a terrorist organization by most countries, including their host country of Egypt.

regularization 5mo ago
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- spwa4 5mo ago
  And that's supposed to explain it? They knew about the holocaust and chose to support it. Was there a reason for that? Yes, of course. That's not the point. The point is they supported it, knowing full well what they were supporting.
  - ipaddr 5mo ago
    That's a silly point of view when the truth about the holocaust came out after the war. Time traveling point of views are not allowed.
    - DSingularity 5mo ago
      Of course that is logical but you really should learn to distrust your logic. Logic can easily end up leading you to antisemitic ideas. Same with humanitarian ideas about Palestinians and such. It’s best if you just let the Zionists do as they will without any criticism.
    - spwa4 5mo ago
      Okay, you're making me say it. The muslim brotherhood recruited Yugoslav muslims to form SS extermination squads to help with the holocaust. Oh and in case that's not convincing enough: there's transcripts of their discussions with the Nazi government where they openly discussed exactly what these armed units they were creating and putting under SS command were for. In detail. Sadly, not a "silly point of view".
ebbi 5mo ago
Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Just a yes or no will be fine.
- DSingularity 5mo ago
  How antisemitic. You aren’t allowed to critique them. Yes even if they rape their prisoners and defend their rapists in parliament and on TV.
  - propagandist 5mo ago
    "We will build an ethnostate and if you don't like that, you're a Nazi."
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Muslim Brotherhood is a coherent organisation, so we can meaningfully talk about its beliefs. Asking whether "Zionists" are fascist is as incohrent as asking if Antifa "believes" in anything. These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks. Fundamentally, nothing about Zionism strikes me as requiring fascism or religious supremacy (though it does require religious segregation).
  - ebbi 5mo ago
    > These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks. Yeah, there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist. There's no state in the Middle East born from this ideology. There aren't political organisations that bribe US politicians to influence US government. There aren't organisations that hose real estate meetings in Synagogues to sell illegal lands for people to make Aliyah. Definitely just a loose collection of aligned folks. Yep.
    - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
      > there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist That you have to put up straw men sort of proves my point. Yes, there are coherent Zionist organisations (including political parties and lobbying groups). Some (perhaps many, hell, maybe even most) of these are fascist and ethno-religious supremacist. We can make meaningful statements about them because, as you said, they're "coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist". Trying to expand that to "Zionists" in general isn't meaningful unless you're constructing a totem to pillory.
johnyzee 5mo ago
This is ridiculous. The only ones afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood are Middle Eastern dictatorships, who would rather not see a political movement take popular hold.
za3faran 5mo ago
No, they do not control Al-Azhar.
- ebbi 5mo ago
  Read his replies below. Total grifter, that just makes up things and can't provide sources when probed.

hsuduebc2 5mo ago

This seems to be "unverified accusations from critics". It's not really fair to accuse someone from this. Do not underestimate Meta for being purely immoral. I'm pretty sure they would assisted russians with persecution if they wouldn't be sure now about potential backlash.

regularization 5mo ago

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propagandist 5mo ago

Citation needed.