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Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?
by amazingamazing 5mo ago
Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?
- mvanbaak 5mo agothe problem is not the model, but the infrastructure needed to run the model. so yeah, gpus, cpus, network, etc etc
- polski-g 5mo agoPower is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast.
- adev_ 5mo ago> Power is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast. Europe is not Germany. Electricity price is 2-3x times more expensive in Germany. Electricity price for electricity intensive professional is around 12-14cts/kWh in France and can be reduce under 10cts/kWh for big consummers. Which is competitive with the cost in several US states (it is still higher than Texas but not 3x). Nordic countries should be able to align on that too.
- nperson 5mo agoElectricity price in Germany for industries was ~16,7ct/kWh in 2026, special ones pay 11-12ct today and will pay a capped 5ct soon.
- adev_ 5mo ago> will pay a capped 5ct soon. Make sense. Production price in Europe is between 3.5-4.5cts/kwh averaged. The rest are mainly transport and taxes. If the EU currently choose to exonerate industrial consummers from these taxes and offload them on citizen (which honestly make sense from a business perspective), they could currently beat most US states in term of pricing while providing lower carbon footprint/kWh
- himata4113 5mo agoit's actually about the same in most countries, solar and wind is coming down in price every single day. germany is an outlier at this point.
- guilamu 5mo agoIt's not. France: €0.149/kWh (~$0.175) US: ~$0.12–$0.14/kWh https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/France/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/France/electricity_prices...
- jsnell 5mo agoThe cost of power is pretty much irrelevant. The TCO of an AI datacenter is dominated by the capex. Over the lifetime of a DC, the capex will be 10x higher than all the opex combined. Power matters, but what matters is power availability not cost.
- panflute 5mo agoDeepseek is open in the sense that you can run V3 or V4 it is not open in the sense that you have all the tools a Chinese company has to make the V5 that will be needed to keep up with the US.
- mentalgear 5mo agoDeepseek is open-weight, not open-source afaik.
- xyzsparetimexyz 5mo agoPotato potatoe
- networked 5mo agoRecent DeepSeek models are MIT and Apache 2.0. You can see the licenses here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepSeek#Development_and_release_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepSeek#Development_and_relea....
- mentalgear 5mo agoThat's licensing, not whether the training data and pipelines were made open-source.
- networked 5mo agoOh yeah, in that sense, they are not. I thought you were suggesting the weights licenses weren't OSI-approved.
- pjmlp 5mo agoCPUs, GPUs, operating systems, programming languages toolchains. Even if you consider open source, the majority of contributions are from US companies. There are some companies contributing to GCC and clang from UK, GraalVM and V8 are partially in European sites but from American companies nonetheless. There is OCaml in France, more no idea.
- LelouBil 5mo agoThere is VideoLan in France (VLC, x264, DAV1D)