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The author wants them smashed. The point of the article is to attempt to normalize and provide justification for the behavior, so that more people feel OK doing
by thegrim33 5mo ago
The author wants them smashed. The point of the article is to attempt to normalize and provide justification for the behavior, so that more people feel OK doing it.
- hn_throwaway_99 5mo agoFrom TFA: > Reddit threads show near-universal support. If your barometer for actual support is Reddit sentiment, I've got news for you...
- RobRivera 5mo ago9 out if 10 paid astroturfers and bot accounts agree with me!
- amanaplanacanal 5mo agoTrying to imagine who would be paying for bots to support killing flock cameras. Who would profit from that? Seems more likely to go the other way.
- GaryBluto 5mo agoRussia greatly benefits from political instability and turmoil in America and encouraging stuff like this is their modus operandi. I say this as somebody who very much dislikes the idea of Flock.
- basilgohar 5mo agoJust curious, but what's the basis for this claim? I've heard it a lot. But I feel like this in itself is a political statement more than one rooted in sound facts.
- GaryBluto 5mo agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20260317211256fw_/https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/2019/10/08/press-senate-intel-committee-releases-bipartisan-report-russia-e2-80-99s-use-social-media/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260317211256fw_/https://www.in...
- janalsncm 5mo agoFlock?
- amanaplanacanal 5mo agoIf flock is paying people to support destroying flock cameras, sign me up!
- wartywhoa23 5mo agoWell, semi-plausible, a wave of "violence" against their cameras would surely excuse installing even more cameras to prevent said "violence". Never underestimate 5D chess mastery of big money and big agendas.
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- paulryanrogers 5mo agoMany things in tech have social and therefore political consequences
- b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo agopolitical discussion is worthless when only one side is allowed to participate.
- prepend 5mo ago“This thing thats easy to measure agrees with me.” Shows lack of critical thinking and rigor.
- nozzlegear 5mo ago> If your barometer for actual support is Reddit sentiment, I've got news for you... I'll write to President Sanders about this issue straight away!
- tombert 5mo agoI'm not going to suggest anyone break the law since I don't think it's worth risking jail time for this, and I'm certainly too much of a coward to do it myself, but it's also hard for me to condemn this. ICE sort of feels like a militia with infinite funding and basically no oversight. This was already kind of true even before the latest presidential administration, but it has been ramped up to 11 in the last 1.5 years. I don't love the idea of a president effectively having his own "secret police" and people fighting back does seem kind of appropriate to me.
- notabee 5mo agoFor a deeper dive on just how that funding is meant to circumvent constitutional protections that normally exist around law enforcement, I recommend watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgNnbTrsgw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgNnbTrsgw
- zamalek 5mo ago> ICE sort of feels like a militia with infinite funding and basically no oversight. ICE is a proto-gestapo for what it's worth - including having a way to report unwanted ethnicities. They answer to the sovereign and are not accountable to the law of the people.
- donkyrf 5mo agoGood. Flock cameras appeal to weak communist attitudes, where there is a desire for a "good" authoritarian government that tracks everyone... for "their own good".
- amanaplanacanal 5mo agoI suspect you have no idea what the word communist actually means.
- LocalH 5mo ago*fascist
- donkyrf 5mo agothose groups have a lot in common, when you look at historical implementation. Both create an unaccountable set of elites who control the populace.
- wartywhoa23 5mo agoFascism is a plugin host and communism is but one of its plugins.
- eximius 5mo agoIt is against the law, but I would wager it is morally coherent to smash them.
- delichon 5mo agoIt's more coherent with moralities that put a relatively low value on property rights and rule of law.
- eximius 5mo agoOn both points, sure, trivially, if I do not value property or the rule of law, I will not care about destroying it. But obviously we're talking about the moral value of the implications more than the direct value of the camera. Do keep up. On the second point specifically, that's actually much more interesting! If one values the rule of law, then you would actually want your laws to be morally aligned! Otherwise, the conflict of the law with morality _devalues_ the rule of law. Valuing rule of law does not imply only some sort of legalistic value of laws unto themselves, but of the value of a society with good laws, enforced well. This incentivizes analysis and evolution _of the law_ and, to some degree, forcing conflict to bring about those changes.
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- hackable_sand 5mo agoWell yes, not everyone plays make-believe all the time.
- delichon 5mo agoThat make believe game is civilization. It's nice to have.
- squibonpig 5mo agoI'd love to see smashing flock cameras so normalized it actually mattered.