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> sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them This is less about feeding a neighbor than digging them a latrine so they stop

> sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them This is less about feeding a neighbor than digging them a latrine so they stop crapping in your water supply.

drstewart 6mo ago
Wow, why hasn't world leader China and progressive Europe stepped up to make up the difference? Don't they care about their own safety? They should be tripling funding to the WHO. This lies directly at their feet.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > why hasn't world leader China and progressive Europe stepped up to make up the difference? Why should we expect anyone to step up? The default state of diseases is that they are not managed. And as China (and maybe even Europe) do pivot, I'm not sure why they'd prioritise preventing it from spreading to Americans (we have troops stationed in the region) versus to their own homelands.
  - drstewart 6mo ago
    So disease spread in Africa affects America, but disease spread in America doesn't affect China or Europe? >Why should we expect anyone to step up? Why should we expect the US to step up? Funny how ONLY the US has responsibility for safeguarding the world, but the supposed new world leaders don't. It's almost as if the double standard is off the charts.
    - rob_c 6mo ago
      > Why should we expect the US to step up? Le all-mighty dollar, it tastes best when given freely no? > It's almost as if the double standard is off the charts. I agree. I love how the same people will typically call for US withdrawal from any/all military theatres; whilst promoting sending <FORCED> aid at the end of a needle. I think a lot of these people were of the "lock them up for their covid heresy" category... If this was China exerting influence I'm sure we'd start complaining there's poison in the needles, bribery and how they should go back and focus on China.
rob_c 6mo ago
and yet they still do. by that logic move away and stop them visiting. conclusion drawn from your arguments...
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > move away and stop them visiting This is a valid strategic conclusion. It would require America ceding Africa and probably the Middle East as strategic theatres to China and, to a lesser degree, Russia and maybe France. (This may be worth the cost.) It would also require trade and travel decoupling from both China and Europe, as well as from the Middle East and probably South America and Canada, too, given the transmission vectors inherent in those flows. (This isn’t worth the cost.) So yes, if Americans accept lower living standards this equilibrium theoretically works. (Even if it’s stupid.) If we want to capitalize on global trade, and be able to vacation and do business wherever we please and have a reasonable expectation of being allowed to return home, on the other hand, and pay a fraction of the gains from the former to safeguard our health, this strategy fails.
  - rob_c 6mo ago
    The alternative being to tell your neighbour to tell their neighbour to stop defacating in the river or you'll stop paying their bills to bring the analogy closer to home...

> sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them This is less about feeding a neighbor than digging them a latrine so they stop crapping in your water supply.

drstewart 6mo ago

Wow, why hasn't world leader China and progressive Europe stepped up to make up the difference? Don't they care about their own safety? They should be tripling funding to the WHO. This lies directly at their feet.

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> why hasn't world leader China and progressive Europe stepped up to make up the difference? Why should we expect anyone to step up? The default state of diseases is that they are not managed. And as China (and maybe even Europe) do pivot, I'm not sure why they'd prioritise preventing it from spreading to Americans (we have troops stationed in the region) versus to their own homelands.
- drstewart 6mo ago
  So disease spread in Africa affects America, but disease spread in America doesn't affect China or Europe? >Why should we expect anyone to step up? Why should we expect the US to step up? Funny how ONLY the US has responsibility for safeguarding the world, but the supposed new world leaders don't. It's almost as if the double standard is off the charts.
  - rob_c 6mo ago
    > Why should we expect the US to step up? Le all-mighty dollar, it tastes best when given freely no? > It's almost as if the double standard is off the charts. I agree. I love how the same people will typically call for US withdrawal from any/all military theatres; whilst promoting sending <FORCED> aid at the end of a needle. I think a lot of these people were of the "lock them up for their covid heresy" category... If this was China exerting influence I'm sure we'd start complaining there's poison in the needles, bribery and how they should go back and focus on China.

rob_c 6mo ago

and yet they still do. by that logic move away and stop them visiting. conclusion drawn from your arguments...

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> move away and stop them visiting This is a valid strategic conclusion. It would require America ceding Africa and probably the Middle East as strategic theatres to China and, to a lesser degree, Russia and maybe France. (This may be worth the cost.) It would also require trade and travel decoupling from both China and Europe, as well as from the Middle East and probably South America and Canada, too, given the transmission vectors inherent in those flows. (This isn’t worth the cost.) So yes, if Americans accept lower living standards this equilibrium theoretically works. (Even if it’s stupid.) If we want to capitalize on global trade, and be able to vacation and do business wherever we please and have a reasonable expectation of being allowed to return home, on the other hand, and pay a fraction of the gains from the former to safeguard our health, this strategy fails.
- rob_c 6mo ago
  The alternative being to tell your neighbour to tell their neighbour to stop defacating in the river or you'll stop paying their bills to bring the analogy closer to home...