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> Our internal intuition about right and wrong seems to leave us at an early age Well, mine didn’t. It’s called respect and love your neighbours, treat others

by wolttam 5mo ago

> Our internal intuition about right and wrong seems to leave us at an early age Well, mine didn’t. It’s called respect and love your neighbours, treat others as you would like to be treated. It’s pretty simple and feels deeply ingrained

amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
I seen to remember Jesus talking about that. I wish more of those who claim to be Christians took those words to heart.
- macrocosmos 5mo ago
  He actually said much more. One of his most radical statements was to love your enemy. Even your enemies love their neighbors so why feel good about yourself for doing that. Even some evil people love their friends and it is therefore really not a thing to be proud of. To love your enemy is what all people are called to do.
  - komali2 5mo ago
    He also threw moneylenders out of the temple and said it's nearly impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. The simple fact is that our society isn't organized in a way that optimizes for Jesus' teachings. We built practically the opposite kind of society - moneylenders (banks and investment firms) and the rich receive not only massive material comfort, but also most of the allocated power in our society, and are generally lauded by us. Meanwhile the poor are, generally, considered to be reaping the reward of their laziness, or lack of self control, or spiritual malaise.
ericmcer 5mo ago
Hard disagree, have you ever seen a group of 5 year olds interacting? We are little monsters without our parents literally berating us until we develop shame. Small kids left to their own devices will gang up on anyone different or weak and antagonize them to raise their own social standing. They respect strength/power and have little empathy. The "intuition" the author refers to only exists because the scoldings he received during his formative years conditioned him to behave "right".
- wolttam 5mo ago
  I have actually, as a parent to a young child My kid was about 3 when he figured out what it means to be a good person, and that's all he seems to want to be now. Maybe it's just where I am, but the majority of parents around me also want to raise children who care, and a lot of them seem to be quite successful at it. It was never scoldings, it was "hey, let's think about how it might feel if that happened to you." Patiently and caringly. Again, it doesn't feel that hard to me, but I'll respect that it feels alien to other's nature.
  - ericmcer 5mo ago
    Yeah that was my point, it needs to be taught. The article seemed to indicate that humans have some innate goodness: "Our internal intuition about right and wrong seems to leave us at an early age". If you agree with that then why do the parents around you need to teach your kids to be good/care. >> "Again, it doesn't feel that hard to me, but I'll respect that it feels alien to other's nature." Thank you for "respecting" that being a good person is "alien" to me and my kids. If you want to insult me just do it. I guess a snark filled "clever" backhanded insult does track with your self-important view of your child-rearing abilities. Are you teaching your little angel those skills as well?
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    - wolttam 5mo ago
      I feel like my comment was either misconstrued or misunderstood and don’t have anything to respond after the inflammation at the end of your comment there. For the record, I don’t know anything about you or your kids.

by wolttam 5mo ago

amanaplanacanal 5mo ago

I seen to remember Jesus talking about that. I wish more of those who claim to be Christians took those words to heart.

macrocosmos 5mo ago
He actually said much more. One of his most radical statements was to love your enemy. Even your enemies love their neighbors so why feel good about yourself for doing that. Even some evil people love their friends and it is therefore really not a thing to be proud of. To love your enemy is what all people are called to do.
- komali2 5mo ago
  He also threw moneylenders out of the temple and said it's nearly impossible for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. The simple fact is that our society isn't organized in a way that optimizes for Jesus' teachings. We built practically the opposite kind of society - moneylenders (banks and investment firms) and the rich receive not only massive material comfort, but also most of the allocated power in our society, and are generally lauded by us. Meanwhile the poor are, generally, considered to be reaping the reward of their laziness, or lack of self control, or spiritual malaise.

ericmcer 5mo ago

Hard disagree, have you ever seen a group of 5 year olds interacting? We are little monsters without our parents literally berating us until we develop shame. Small kids left to their own devices will gang up on anyone different or weak and antagonize them to raise their own social standing. They respect strength/power and have little empathy. The "intuition" the author refers to only exists because the scoldings he received during his formative years conditioned him to behave "right".

wolttam 5mo ago
I have actually, as a parent to a young child My kid was about 3 when he figured out what it means to be a good person, and that's all he seems to want to be now. Maybe it's just where I am, but the majority of parents around me also want to raise children who care, and a lot of them seem to be quite successful at it. It was never scoldings, it was "hey, let's think about how it might feel if that happened to you." Patiently and caringly. Again, it doesn't feel that hard to me, but I'll respect that it feels alien to other's nature.
- ericmcer 5mo ago
  Yeah that was my point, it needs to be taught. The article seemed to indicate that humans have some innate goodness: "Our internal intuition about right and wrong seems to leave us at an early age". If you agree with that then why do the parents around you need to teach your kids to be good/care. >> "Again, it doesn't feel that hard to me, but I'll respect that it feels alien to other's nature." Thank you for "respecting" that being a good person is "alien" to me and my kids. If you want to insult me just do it. I guess a snark filled "clever" backhanded insult does track with your self-important view of your child-rearing abilities. Are you teaching your little angel those skills as well?
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  - wolttam 5mo ago
    I feel like my comment was either misconstrued or misunderstood and don’t have anything to respond after the inflammation at the end of your comment there. For the record, I don’t know anything about you or your kids.