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> Would you choose to live as someones slave if that ensures a boring life of a hundred years? There were more slaves and serfs 250 years ago than today. It ta

by pibaker 5mo ago

> Would you choose to live as someones slave if that ensures a boring life of a hundred years? There were more slaves and serfs 250 years ago than today. It takes some tremendous mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you are actually a slave when you are not, in fact, being shipped off to a foreign land in shackles just to pick cotton and get whipped because your owner got bored. I wish your kids the best. Living under parents with this level of delusional paranoia can do some incredible damage to the minds of young people.

qsera 5mo ago
So using your perfectly working and well adjusted mind, you can only imagine a single kind of "slavery"? Would it have helped if I said "bondage" instead of "slavery"? I think so, because you seemed to have latched on to some imagery strongly associated with that word, without trying to understand the point that is being made.
- Levitz 5mo ago
  If you have to stretch the meaning of words in order to try to paint the present as comparable to the past, you've already lost the argument. I'm sorry but an statement like: >There is nothing that I can feed my children without worrying how many poisons and microplastics or some endocrine disrupting shit it contains. Is an obscene display of ignorance. Do you know what dysentery is? Do you have any idea of the immense amount of pain and suffering caused through the ages by famine? Sickness? Have you in your life taken a history course? You worry about your children, how afraid were you of their mother dying when giving birth? Because that happened constantly. I mean the word. It's obscene. That people like you can be so utterly detached from the harsh realities of nature is the greatest testament imaginable that by God yes, we do have it easy.
  - qsera 5mo ago
    What? we don't have sickness now? Or an ever increasing amount of sickness? We now have kids with diabetes now! Childhood cancer anyone? We don't have Dysentry for kids, but we have diabetes, and cancer for them now. They can now happily live a 100 years in a hospital! Congratulations! What a win!
    - dalvasorsali 5mo ago
      What's your point? The fact that we still have sickness means things are worse? What I find fascinating is how people like you, who reference a "pure" and "analog" world, have very "binary" views. Nature is complex, everything is continuous and lives on a spectrum, nothing is binary (not even death). Things can be way better, slightly better, worse etc. There's no such thing as "good" or "bad", everything exists somewhere in between. But your thinking is so simple and naive, it's a travesty of the nature you appeal to.
      - cindyllm 5mo ago
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    - Levitz 5mo ago
      Grab a coin right now, try to call the result. If you fail, your child dies before age 10. That was REALITY in the XII century. If you like that better by all means, contact a therapist as soon as possible.
      - qsera 5mo ago
        >Grab a coin right now, try to call the result. If you fail, your child dies before age 10. And today's reality is that the child would not die, but with a similar chance (may be not right now but in the near future) will have some disease that would make the child's and the families life hell until they run out of resources...and then child dies anyway.... Do you like that better?
        Levitz 5mo ago
        You think *half of children* are going to have life-ending diseases that will "make the child's and the families life hell until they run out of resources"???
        qsera 5mo ago
        I think we are on that trajectory, yes. And a huge contributor is the perception that it is OK, because we have advanced medical procedures for them...for who can afford them. So capitalism/consumerism makes them sick (indiscriminately) and then sells them cure (when they can). Progress!

by pibaker 5mo ago

qsera 5mo ago

So using your perfectly working and well adjusted mind, you can only imagine a single kind of "slavery"? Would it have helped if I said "bondage" instead of "slavery"? I think so, because you seemed to have latched on to some imagery strongly associated with that word, without trying to understand the point that is being made.

Levitz 5mo ago
If you have to stretch the meaning of words in order to try to paint the present as comparable to the past, you've already lost the argument. I'm sorry but an statement like: >There is nothing that I can feed my children without worrying how many poisons and microplastics or some endocrine disrupting shit it contains. Is an obscene display of ignorance. Do you know what dysentery is? Do you have any idea of the immense amount of pain and suffering caused through the ages by famine? Sickness? Have you in your life taken a history course? You worry about your children, how afraid were you of their mother dying when giving birth? Because that happened constantly. I mean the word. It's obscene. That people like you can be so utterly detached from the harsh realities of nature is the greatest testament imaginable that by God yes, we do have it easy.
- qsera 5mo ago
  What? we don't have sickness now? Or an ever increasing amount of sickness? We now have kids with diabetes now! Childhood cancer anyone? We don't have Dysentry for kids, but we have diabetes, and cancer for them now. They can now happily live a 100 years in a hospital! Congratulations! What a win!
  - dalvasorsali 5mo ago
    What's your point? The fact that we still have sickness means things are worse? What I find fascinating is how people like you, who reference a "pure" and "analog" world, have very "binary" views. Nature is complex, everything is continuous and lives on a spectrum, nothing is binary (not even death). Things can be way better, slightly better, worse etc. There's no such thing as "good" or "bad", everything exists somewhere in between. But your thinking is so simple and naive, it's a travesty of the nature you appeal to.
    - cindyllm 5mo ago
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  - Levitz 5mo ago
    Grab a coin right now, try to call the result. If you fail, your child dies before age 10. That was REALITY in the XII century. If you like that better by all means, contact a therapist as soon as possible.
    - qsera 5mo ago
      >Grab a coin right now, try to call the result. If you fail, your child dies before age 10. And today's reality is that the child would not die, but with a similar chance (may be not right now but in the near future) will have some disease that would make the child's and the families life hell until they run out of resources...and then child dies anyway.... Do you like that better?
      - Levitz 5mo ago
        You think *half of children* are going to have life-ending diseases that will "make the child's and the families life hell until they run out of resources"???
        qsera 5mo ago
        I think we are on that trajectory, yes. And a huge contributor is the perception that it is OK, because we have advanced medical procedures for them...for who can afford them. So capitalism/consumerism makes them sick (indiscriminately) and then sells them cure (when they can). Progress!