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I'd buy any Tesla, even the big truck, if it came with open source software! I don't want a car that's spyware like a phone. Let me be in control of it, let me

I'd buy any Tesla, even the big truck, if it came with open source software! I don't want a car that's spyware like a phone. Let me be in control of it, let me mod it, let me own it. Who's going to sell me one?

Hnrobert42 5mo ago
Not exactly what you are asking for, but did you see that Rivian recently provided a way for owners to disable the vehicle's LTE connection? It's straight In Canada. In the US, you have to ask a dealer.
pabs3 5mo ago
Tesla is full of open source software, including the Linux kernel. They probably are GPL violators though. https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/may/18/tesla-incomplete-ccs/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/may/18/tesla-incomplete-... https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2019/oct/30/calling-all-tesla-owners/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2019/oct/30/calling-all-tesla... https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/dec/21/tesla-no-source-code-no-safety/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/dec/21/tesla-no-source-c... See also this interesting slide deck about the GPLv3 and cars, I expect that regulations would mean you could not drive cars with modified software (similar to what happens with solar inverters): https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Safely-Copylefted-Cars-Reexamining-GPLv3-Installation-Information-Requirements-ALS-Bradley-Kuhn-Behan-Webster-1.pdf https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017...
- dmix 5mo ago
  > I expect that regulations would mean you could not drive cars with modified software Aggressive regulations for emissions control software + industry deterrence for car modifications via insurance and warranties
  - bestham 5mo ago
    Good then that there is very little need for emissions control in EV. No barrier for giving the owner of the vehicle more access to its innards.
gonesilent 5mo ago
If you can find a good security vulnerability Tesla will give you root on your car as an award.
- dylan604 5mo ago
  If you found that vuln, wouldn't you already have root?
  - cookiengineer 5mo ago
    That's the joke ...because they never patch it, and are busy building robots instead.
  - xyx0826 5mo ago
    Root persistence is more for encouraging you to report all bugs you’ve found instead of holding on to them in fear that the vendor will patch them and make further research difficult. See Apple’s security research device program.
rozap 5mo ago
There are plenty of FOSS engine management projects around. There is a big community of people doing incredible mods. But cars are complicated and to do it well requires a lot of time, effort, knowledge, money. I've blown up plenty of engines along the way, and it's fun and I'm learning a lot, but it's not something that's easy to just dabble in.
MisterTea 5mo ago
> Who's going to sell me one? The company that doesn't froth at the mouth for a constant revenue stream by selling every bit of data it can siphon from you with digital leashes. With most of business and startups focusing on short term high gains there's little incentive to build a real company that will think long term while actually giving a shit about its products AND customers. That all died out long ago. That kind of thinking is radical these days.

Hnrobert42 5mo ago

Not exactly what you are asking for, but did you see that Rivian recently provided a way for owners to disable the vehicle's LTE connection? It's straight In Canada. In the US, you have to ask a dealer.

pabs3 5mo ago

Tesla is full of open source software, including the Linux kernel. They probably are GPL violators though. https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/may/18/tesla-incomplete-ccs/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/may/18/tesla-incomplete-... https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2019/oct/30/calling-all-tesla-owners/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2019/oct/30/calling-all-tesla... https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/dec/21/tesla-no-source-code-no-safety/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/dec/21/tesla-no-source-c... See also this interesting slide deck about the GPLv3 and cars, I expect that regulations would mean you could not drive cars with modified software (similar to what happens with solar inverters): https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Safely-Copylefted-Cars-Reexamining-GPLv3-Installation-Information-Requirements-ALS-Bradley-Kuhn-Behan-Webster-1.pdf https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017...

dmix 5mo ago
> I expect that regulations would mean you could not drive cars with modified software Aggressive regulations for emissions control software + industry deterrence for car modifications via insurance and warranties
- bestham 5mo ago
  Good then that there is very little need for emissions control in EV. No barrier for giving the owner of the vehicle more access to its innards.

gonesilent 5mo ago

If you can find a good security vulnerability Tesla will give you root on your car as an award.

dylan604 5mo ago
If you found that vuln, wouldn't you already have root?
- cookiengineer 5mo ago
  That's the joke ...because they never patch it, and are busy building robots instead.
- xyx0826 5mo ago
  Root persistence is more for encouraging you to report all bugs you’ve found instead of holding on to them in fear that the vendor will patch them and make further research difficult. See Apple’s security research device program.

rozap 5mo ago

There are plenty of FOSS engine management projects around. There is a big community of people doing incredible mods. But cars are complicated and to do it well requires a lot of time, effort, knowledge, money. I've blown up plenty of engines along the way, and it's fun and I'm learning a lot, but it's not something that's easy to just dabble in.

MisterTea 5mo ago

> Who's going to sell me one? The company that doesn't froth at the mouth for a constant revenue stream by selling every bit of data it can siphon from you with digital leashes. With most of business and startups focusing on short term high gains there's little incentive to build a real company that will think long term while actually giving a shit about its products AND customers. That all died out long ago. That kind of thinking is radical these days.