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Can't imagine the size of brown envelope. Handing over your entire nation's thoughts to a foreign company operating under US Cloud Act in normal circumstances w

Can't imagine the size of brown envelope. Handing over your entire nation's thoughts to a foreign company operating under US Cloud Act in normal circumstances would be considered a risk to national security. Why not invest in home grown talent and companies?

applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
Malta is the size of a small city, I don't think national security or investing into home grown companies comes into play here.
- phillc73 5mo ago
  Malta is part of the EU. I am personally very surprised about this partnership, just in the context of data security, privacy and the GDPR. How is the privacy of these EU citizens protected when all their prompts and data is sent to OpenAI? How do these EU citizens submit a request for all their personal data to be deleted from OpenAI records, a right they have under the GDPR with a compliant data processor?
  - applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
    ChatGPT is already available to users in the EU. It already has an EU-aligned terms of service. Not that I'd trust them, because the GDPR has been borderline useless in reality, but there's nothing particularly legally interesting about this offering. > How do these EU citizens submit a request for all their personal data to be deleted from OpenAI records Probably by sending an e-mail to a designated address, like most services that operate in the EU, but you can read their TOS if you'd like to be sure.
    - varispeed 5mo ago
      > but there's nothing particularly legally interesting about this offering. Care to elaborate or we have become completely apathetic to any display of sleaze?
      - applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
        I mean, it's just a literal non-event legally. I'm repeating myself here, but OpenAI already operates in the EU. EU users can already use ChatGPT, with some assurances about adhering to GDPR. Offering the ad-free tier to a subset of EU users for free, who could already use the tier with ads for free, doesn't change anything legally in regards to data processing. If you want my commentary on the political context, obviously I think it's not very intelligent for nations to be trusting a US corporation with all of their citizens' data. I think the most impactful use of LLMs is going to be their usage as surveillance and propaganda tools, so this is probably not a prudent decision. But legally, as pertains to GDPR, this is not different from the status quo in any way.
  - Aurornis 5mo ago
    How is this any different than EU citizens accessing OpenAI, which is already available in the EU? Nobody is obligated to use it. It just moves the price to $0 for people in Malta who choose to use it. Same service.
  - fock 5mo ago
    - Malta is selling passports and harboring criminals who kill journalists (we all remember Daphne Caruana Galizia don't we?). - buying votes/parties there would get you 10 times the MEPs you get in Germany or France. - their mayors can veto EU policy... This EU-thing really is democratic! so: I doubt anyone has to care about that pesky GDPR if they buy the government of Malta.
  - beering 5mo ago
    I’m very confused as to what you are asking here. Do you think OpenAI does not serve ChatGPT to EU users already under EU law?
    - phillc73 5mo ago
      Of course ChatGPT is available to EU citizens, should they choose to use it. That’s very different to the Maltese government actively promoting use of ChatGPT. Of course Maltese citizens can still choose not to use ChatGPT (until it becomes mandatory), but if the State supported education is bound to one particular tool, storing user data outside the EU’s jurisdiction, I think that’s something to discuss.
morkalork 5mo ago
Worse than that, it's bi-directional. The model's responses and tuning now influences a whole nation of people.
- netsharc 5mo ago
  It's an interesting way to control the population.. let them delegate thinking to systems, and then just control the systems to respond to your (you = government) preference. My analogy is using AI is like using a navigation system, you can end up delegating everything to it and drive into a river...
  - wartywhoa23 5mo ago
    >and drive into a river... More like off the cliff!

applfanboysbgon 5mo ago

Malta is the size of a small city, I don't think national security or investing into home grown companies comes into play here.

phillc73 5mo ago
Malta is part of the EU. I am personally very surprised about this partnership, just in the context of data security, privacy and the GDPR. How is the privacy of these EU citizens protected when all their prompts and data is sent to OpenAI? How do these EU citizens submit a request for all their personal data to be deleted from OpenAI records, a right they have under the GDPR with a compliant data processor?
- applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
  ChatGPT is already available to users in the EU. It already has an EU-aligned terms of service. Not that I'd trust them, because the GDPR has been borderline useless in reality, but there's nothing particularly legally interesting about this offering. > How do these EU citizens submit a request for all their personal data to be deleted from OpenAI records Probably by sending an e-mail to a designated address, like most services that operate in the EU, but you can read their TOS if you'd like to be sure.
  - varispeed 5mo ago
    > but there's nothing particularly legally interesting about this offering. Care to elaborate or we have become completely apathetic to any display of sleaze?
    - applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
      I mean, it's just a literal non-event legally. I'm repeating myself here, but OpenAI already operates in the EU. EU users can already use ChatGPT, with some assurances about adhering to GDPR. Offering the ad-free tier to a subset of EU users for free, who could already use the tier with ads for free, doesn't change anything legally in regards to data processing. If you want my commentary on the political context, obviously I think it's not very intelligent for nations to be trusting a US corporation with all of their citizens' data. I think the most impactful use of LLMs is going to be their usage as surveillance and propaganda tools, so this is probably not a prudent decision. But legally, as pertains to GDPR, this is not different from the status quo in any way.
- Aurornis 5mo ago
  How is this any different than EU citizens accessing OpenAI, which is already available in the EU? Nobody is obligated to use it. It just moves the price to $0 for people in Malta who choose to use it. Same service.
- fock 5mo ago
  - Malta is selling passports and harboring criminals who kill journalists (we all remember Daphne Caruana Galizia don't we?). - buying votes/parties there would get you 10 times the MEPs you get in Germany or France. - their mayors can veto EU policy... This EU-thing really is democratic! so: I doubt anyone has to care about that pesky GDPR if they buy the government of Malta.
- beering 5mo ago
  I’m very confused as to what you are asking here. Do you think OpenAI does not serve ChatGPT to EU users already under EU law?
  - phillc73 5mo ago
    Of course ChatGPT is available to EU citizens, should they choose to use it. That’s very different to the Maltese government actively promoting use of ChatGPT. Of course Maltese citizens can still choose not to use ChatGPT (until it becomes mandatory), but if the State supported education is bound to one particular tool, storing user data outside the EU’s jurisdiction, I think that’s something to discuss.

morkalork 5mo ago

Worse than that, it's bi-directional. The model's responses and tuning now influences a whole nation of people.

netsharc 5mo ago
It's an interesting way to control the population.. let them delegate thinking to systems, and then just control the systems to respond to your (you = government) preference. My analogy is using AI is like using a navigation system, you can end up delegating everything to it and drive into a river...
- wartywhoa23 5mo ago
  >and drive into a river... More like off the cliff!