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> Starlink is also available, np I would NOT be using Starlink for remote vehicle teleoperation even as a fall back.

by FireBeyond 5mo ago

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
> even as a fall back Why this?
- beAbU 5mo ago
  Latency
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > Latency One, a low-latency fallback beats no fallback. Two, at least for Waymo, the system is engineered to be high latency. Back-up drivers seldom directly drive the car, and when they do, it's not at the last minute. Instead, they give high-level instructions the car actuates.
pixel_popping 5mo ago
I don't get it, you prefer a road accident?
- Toutouxc 5mo ago
  I would personally prefer if companies didn’t offer services that simply don’t or can’t work as advertised.
  - ryandrake 5mo ago
    Weirdly, in 2026, this is a controversial opinion.
    - bdangubic 5mo ago
      this is 100% because we are under full-on cultism. you say anything anti-Tesla and army of elon defenders will go after you immediately. none of them would put their kids in one of these “robo”taxi “F”SD shits but they will defend elon/tesla mercilessly
      - pixel_popping 5mo ago
        To be fair it seems worse on the other side here on HN at least, I rarely see positive comments about Elon, so both sides seems to be doing the echo-chamber and defender mode, it's getting seriously absurd to not be able to have talk on technology itself without it getting into politic, especially for non-US residents :/
plqbfbv 5mo ago
> I would NOT be using Starlink for remote vehicle teleoperation even as a fall back. I had to use Starlink last year, and latency was way more acceptable than expected even when under load (I did try to analyze and remove bufferbloat). Considering Tesla could likely get priority bandwidth from SpaceX basically for free, that would mean good latencies (I had 90ms tops in speedtests). Anyway you tell the car where to go, but it's the car following the path you draw for it and following traffic rules and collision avoidance, you're not directly driving the car. Even 1 second latency with 2s round-trip would likely not be a problem in these conditions.
- fuzzythinker 5mo ago
  90ms is absolutely not an acceptable delay. On a 25mph road, each 90ms is .0006 mile ~= 1 meter. Latency goes both ways, so that is a possible 1 meter before operator reacts and another meter before the corrective action takes place. Like other comment mentioned, remote operations can only be used for high-level instructions (or simpler highway driving).

> Starlink is also available, np I would NOT be using Starlink for remote vehicle teleoperation even as a fall back.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago

> even as a fall back Why this?

beAbU 5mo ago
Latency
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > Latency One, a low-latency fallback beats no fallback. Two, at least for Waymo, the system is engineered to be high latency. Back-up drivers seldom directly drive the car, and when they do, it's not at the last minute. Instead, they give high-level instructions the car actuates.

pixel_popping 5mo ago

I don't get it, you prefer a road accident?

Toutouxc 5mo ago
I would personally prefer if companies didn’t offer services that simply don’t or can’t work as advertised.
- ryandrake 5mo ago
  Weirdly, in 2026, this is a controversial opinion.
  - bdangubic 5mo ago
    this is 100% because we are under full-on cultism. you say anything anti-Tesla and army of elon defenders will go after you immediately. none of them would put their kids in one of these “robo”taxi “F”SD shits but they will defend elon/tesla mercilessly
    - pixel_popping 5mo ago
      To be fair it seems worse on the other side here on HN at least, I rarely see positive comments about Elon, so both sides seems to be doing the echo-chamber and defender mode, it's getting seriously absurd to not be able to have talk on technology itself without it getting into politic, especially for non-US residents :/

plqbfbv 5mo ago

> I would NOT be using Starlink for remote vehicle teleoperation even as a fall back. I had to use Starlink last year, and latency was way more acceptable than expected even when under load (I did try to analyze and remove bufferbloat). Considering Tesla could likely get priority bandwidth from SpaceX basically for free, that would mean good latencies (I had 90ms tops in speedtests). Anyway you tell the car where to go, but it's the car following the path you draw for it and following traffic rules and collision avoidance, you're not directly driving the car. Even 1 second latency with 2s round-trip would likely not be a problem in these conditions.

fuzzythinker 5mo ago
90ms is absolutely not an acceptable delay. On a 25mph road, each 90ms is .0006 mile ~= 1 meter. Latency goes both ways, so that is a possible 1 meter before operator reacts and another meter before the corrective action takes place. Like other comment mentioned, remote operations can only be used for high-level instructions (or simpler highway driving).