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Does anyone know how the tele operators for either this or waymo interface with the vehicle? Do they have like a sim racing sort of setup? Are they trying to do

Does anyone know how the tele operators for either this or waymo interface with the vehicle? Do they have like a sim racing sort of setup? Are they trying to do this through an xbox controller type of thing? I know the military went that route.

senordevnyc 5mo ago
Waymo doesn’t have remote operators in the same way Tesla does. They can assist with making a decision on what to do if the car is stuck, but they do not remotely drive the car the way Tesla does.
taylortbb 5mo ago
At least for Waymo, the remote control is not nearly that direct. The human operators suggest a route through a confusing scene, but the self driving remains in control for executing that suggested route, and may reject it. A remote operator driving directly, via a racing sim setup or an Xbox controller, just isn't safe. Too much latency, lack of visibility, and connection unreliability.
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whynotmaybe 5mo ago
W-A-S-D on a Dell keyboard wouldn't surprise me.
- joe_mamba 5mo ago
  Hey, like so many others, I managed to beat NFS Underground 1 and 2, Most Wanted and Hot Pursuit using only the budget brand e-waste special keyboard, no analog controllers. IIRC some of the top NFS players also used the keyboard instead of fancy racing syms. So it's probably possible to control real life cars with a keyboard, provided they implement dedicated input filtering, PID controllers or Kalman filters, and throttle maps, instead of having a key press just be 100% gas/break.
  - EA-3167 5mo ago
    Unless you beat them without crashing once that’s not impressive in a real world context. Life doesn’t have saves to reload.
    - joe_mamba 5mo ago
      You can't win internationally competitive racing games if you crash since your competition who doesn't crash will beat you. So if they win competitions with a keyboard it means they can drive without crashing.
    - whynotmaybe 5mo ago
      Neither does mudrunner and snowrunner and I play with a keyboard.
AlotOfReading 5mo ago
Tesla's setup are a bunch of desks with steering wheels crammed together in a normal call center [0]. Waymo doesn't do teleoperation, but other companies exist that have like Vay. Compare their setup [1]. [0] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuE3ie2WcAAyeWs?format=jpg&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuE3ie2WcAAyeWs?format=jpg&name=... [1] https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6828f0b632da09101cb37716/Remotely-Driven-Car-Startup-Vay-Launches-Service-On-Vegas-Streets/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=480 https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6828f0...
- whynotmaybe 5mo ago
  It must be hard to resist to drive the GTA way with such a setup
  - xgkickt 5mo ago
    They’re called off ramps for a reason right?
- jnsie 5mo ago
  I assume/hope that Tesla teleoperators are required to have drivers licenses in the states in which the cars they are operating are located?
  - FireBeyond 5mo ago
    Given that some of these teleoperators are in the Philipines, and Tesla's sterling reputation for adhering to regulation and laws, I'm going to hazard my own guess.
    - dzhiurgis 5mo ago
      Why the blatant lies tho? Waymo people are in Philipines. And when power went out in SF entire Waymo fleet died too because teleops couldn't take over... https://www.techspot.com/news/111233-waymo-admits-autopilot-often-guys-philippines.html https://www.techspot.com/news/111233-waymo-admits-autopilot-...
arjie 5mo ago
They have examples here: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ The Waymo asks questions like "is this road closed?" and they also have a UI where they can designate in what orientation and where the Waymo should go to so that a path is drawn. They don't live-control the vehicles. It's a pretty cool solution to the problem.
kotaKat 5mo ago
Phantom Auto has folks using Logitech wheels at home to drive forklifts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGK5YVaQ2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGK5YVaQ2A

senordevnyc 5mo ago

Waymo doesn’t have remote operators in the same way Tesla does. They can assist with making a decision on what to do if the car is stuck, but they do not remotely drive the car the way Tesla does.

taylortbb 5mo ago

At least for Waymo, the remote control is not nearly that direct. The human operators suggest a route through a confusing scene, but the self driving remains in control for executing that suggested route, and may reject it. A remote operator driving directly, via a racing sim setup or an Xbox controller, just isn't safe. Too much latency, lack of visibility, and connection unreliability.

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whynotmaybe 5mo ago

W-A-S-D on a Dell keyboard wouldn't surprise me.

joe_mamba 5mo ago
Hey, like so many others, I managed to beat NFS Underground 1 and 2, Most Wanted and Hot Pursuit using only the budget brand e-waste special keyboard, no analog controllers. IIRC some of the top NFS players also used the keyboard instead of fancy racing syms. So it's probably possible to control real life cars with a keyboard, provided they implement dedicated input filtering, PID controllers or Kalman filters, and throttle maps, instead of having a key press just be 100% gas/break.
- EA-3167 5mo ago
  Unless you beat them without crashing once that’s not impressive in a real world context. Life doesn’t have saves to reload.
  - joe_mamba 5mo ago
    You can't win internationally competitive racing games if you crash since your competition who doesn't crash will beat you. So if they win competitions with a keyboard it means they can drive without crashing.
  - whynotmaybe 5mo ago
    Neither does mudrunner and snowrunner and I play with a keyboard.

AlotOfReading 5mo ago

Tesla's setup are a bunch of desks with steering wheels crammed together in a normal call center [0]. Waymo doesn't do teleoperation, but other companies exist that have like Vay. Compare their setup [1]. [0] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuE3ie2WcAAyeWs?format=jpg&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuE3ie2WcAAyeWs?format=jpg&name=... [1] https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6828f0b632da09101cb37716/Remotely-Driven-Car-Startup-Vay-Launches-Service-On-Vegas-Streets/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=480 https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6828f0...

whynotmaybe 5mo ago
It must be hard to resist to drive the GTA way with such a setup
- xgkickt 5mo ago
  They’re called off ramps for a reason right?
jnsie 5mo ago
I assume/hope that Tesla teleoperators are required to have drivers licenses in the states in which the cars they are operating are located?
- FireBeyond 5mo ago
  Given that some of these teleoperators are in the Philipines, and Tesla's sterling reputation for adhering to regulation and laws, I'm going to hazard my own guess.
  - dzhiurgis 5mo ago
    Why the blatant lies tho? Waymo people are in Philipines. And when power went out in SF entire Waymo fleet died too because teleops couldn't take over... https://www.techspot.com/news/111233-waymo-admits-autopilot-often-guys-philippines.html https://www.techspot.com/news/111233-waymo-admits-autopilot-...

arjie 5mo ago

They have examples here: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ The Waymo asks questions like "is this road closed?" and they also have a UI where they can designate in what orientation and where the Waymo should go to so that a path is drawn. They don't live-control the vehicles. It's a pretty cool solution to the problem.

kotaKat 5mo ago

Phantom Auto has folks using Logitech wheels at home to drive forklifts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGK5YVaQ2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGK5YVaQ2A