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Tesla reveals two Robotaxi crashes involving teleoperators
- Computer0 6mo agoDoes anyone know how the tele operators for either this or waymo interface with the vehicle? Do they have like a sim racing sort of setup? Are they trying to do this through an xbox controller type of thing? I know the military went that route.
- senordevnyc 6mo agoWaymo doesn’t have remote operators in the same way Tesla does. They can assist with making a decision on what to do if the car is stuck, but they do not remotely drive the car the way Tesla does.
- taylortbb 6mo agoAt least for Waymo, the remote control is not nearly that direct. The human operators suggest a route through a confusing scene, but the self driving remains in control for executing that suggested route, and may reject it. A remote operator driving directly, via a racing sim setup or an Xbox controller, just isn't safe. Too much latency, lack of visibility, and connection unreliability.
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- whynotmaybe 6mo agoW-A-S-D on a Dell keyboard wouldn't surprise me.
- joe_mamba 6mo agoHey, like so many others, I managed to beat NFS Underground 1 and 2, Most Wanted and Hot Pursuit using only the budget brand e-waste special keyboard, no analog controllers. IIRC some of the top NFS players also used the keyboard instead of fancy racing syms. So it's probably possible to control real life cars with a keyboard, provided they implement dedicated input filtering, PID controllers or Kalman filters, and throttle maps, instead of having a key press just be 100% gas/break.
- EA-3167 6mo agoUnless you beat them without crashing once that’s not impressive in a real world context. Life doesn’t have saves to reload.
- joe_mamba 6mo agoYou can't win internationally competitive racing games if you crash since your competition who doesn't crash will beat you. So if they win competitions with a keyboard it means they can drive without crashing.
- whynotmaybe 6mo agoNeither does mudrunner and snowrunner and I play with a keyboard.
- AlotOfReading 6mo agoTesla's setup are a bunch of desks with steering wheels crammed together in a normal call center [0]. Waymo doesn't do teleoperation, but other companies exist that have like Vay. Compare their setup [1]. [0] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuE3ie2WcAAyeWs?format=jpg&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuE3ie2WcAAyeWs?format=jpg&name=... [1] https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6828f0b632da09101cb37716/Remotely-Driven-Car-Startup-Vay-Launches-Service-On-Vegas-Streets/0x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=480 https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6828f0...
- whynotmaybe 6mo agoIt must be hard to resist to drive the GTA way with such a setup
- xgkickt 6mo agoThey’re called off ramps for a reason right?
- jnsie 6mo agoI assume/hope that Tesla teleoperators are required to have drivers licenses in the states in which the cars they are operating are located?
- FireBeyond 6mo agoGiven that some of these teleoperators are in the Philipines, and Tesla's sterling reputation for adhering to regulation and laws, I'm going to hazard my own guess.
- dzhiurgis 6mo agoWhy the blatant lies tho? Waymo people are in Philipines. And when power went out in SF entire Waymo fleet died too because teleops couldn't take over... https://www.techspot.com/news/111233-waymo-admits-autopilot-often-guys-philippines.html https://www.techspot.com/news/111233-waymo-admits-autopilot-...
- arjie 6mo agoThey have examples here: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/ The Waymo asks questions like "is this road closed?" and they also have a UI where they can designate in what orientation and where the Waymo should go to so that a path is drawn. They don't live-control the vehicles. It's a pretty cool solution to the problem.
- kotaKat 6mo agoPhantom Auto has folks using Logitech wheels at home to drive forklifts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGK5YVaQ2A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zGK5YVaQ2A
- senordevnyc 6mo agoSo not only do they still not have truly unsupervised cars, they also remotely drive them sometimes, and their remote drivers have helpfully demonstrated why that’s a terrible idea. Tesla is such an embarrassment.
- camkego 6mo agoIt would be fascinating to know where the remote drivers were located that were remotely controlling these vehicles. Wasn’t there a big hubbub about using remote staff in the Philippines a while ago? This can change the reliability profile quite a bit. (Internet quality)
- pixel_popping 6mo agoDriving skill (and road manners) is also a serious issue, not only Internet quality (it's mostly solved nowadays with dual 5G/dual residential, Starlink is also available, np), getting a driver license is basically just paying a fixer for $200 (equivalent in PHP) and even if you attend the school genuinely and all, it's still super easy versus the west.
- cyanydeez 6mo agoi think the bigger problem is the mechanical turk "solution" where remote drivers are suppose to suddenly be a driver in corner cases as if thats a safe fallback
- Ferret7446 6mo agoThis is not how it works. The vehicle autonomously stops and/or pulls over, and then a remote driver takes over. Control is not handed over to a remote driver while the vehicle is barreling down the road and "jesus take the wheel"
- FireBeyond 6mo ago> Starlink is also available, np I would NOT be using Starlink for remote vehicle teleoperation even as a fall back.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> even as a fall back Why this?
- xnx 6mo agoMeanwhile, Waymo is doing 500,000+(!) rides every week.
- dzhiurgis 6mo agoThey are indeed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukLgCJUeBuI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukLgCJUeBuI
- metalman 6mo agodoing the math would be a bit laborious, but does anyone happen to know the kinetic energy embodied in a tesla going the full "ludicrous" velocity?, which by all acounts, can happen very quickly in a short distance.
- lotsofpulp 6mo agoAccording to Tesla, the remotely operated Teslas are limited to 10mph. https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/company_responses_to_rao_letter.pdf https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/company_response...
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- somenameforme 6mo agoThe article describes the incidents. Both incidents happened at < 10 mph, did not involve other vehicles, and ended up with nothing more than some scratches to the vehicle. The "crashes" from the title is yellow journalism.
- outside1234 6mo agoJust nuts this company is so highly valued still. Just clown level execution the whole way down.
- KennyBlanken 6mo agoEverything about every company he's ever been involved in has been a clown show, including Paypal. Though in Paypal's case it was just outright stealing people's money under the guise of "suspicious activity" or "terms of service violation." He's the PT Barnum of our age.
- ramesh31 6mo agoWhy are we allowing this? Who does it benefit at all? People would lose their minds if you tried this in commercial aviation, yet we're allowing it for something far more dangerous that even with human operators kills people all the time. Absolutely insane.
- jmpman 6mo agoWhen I attempt to get a drivers lic, I'm required to have 20/40 vision in at least one eye. That 2 arc minute resolution. In theory I can turn my head and use my mirrors such that I can see almost 360 degrees around. This suggests that a robotaxi should have equivalent or better resolution, and a teleoperator should be able to view those video streams at this 20/40 vision. I doubt that's happening, which makes me wonder why they're allowed to drive these vehicles with less visual acuity than is required to get a drivers license.