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If it helps I understand the second much better and feels less clickbaity and includes more info. I do agree with the points you made about the confusion althou
by IanCal 5mo ago
If it helps I understand the second much better and feels less clickbaity and includes more info. I do agree with the points you made about the confusion although I find frontier a term used in this area a lot, “frontier AI models have” would probably resolve that.
- jofzar 5mo agoImo frontier is too niche and specific, if you know what a frontier model means then it's fine, but if you don't then it's negative/detrimental to the title. "new" does the same thing and is probably just a better descriptor then frontier
- rockskon 5mo agoBut then you're not acting as a billboard promoting AI. Isn't that partly the point?
- jack_pp 5mo agoif you are on HN and have no idea what "frontier model" would mean maybe it's time you found out.
- hbbio 5mo agoI also misread the updated title. "Frontier models break the open CTF format" is good "Frontier AI..." means wtf is Frontier AI. Because of course it exists (just googled it): https://frontierai.company/ https://frontierai.company/
- Jenk 5mo agoIf the title simply said "AI is out-performing humans at CTF" then none of this confusion exists. Nothing is "broken," we don't need to be superfluous with "frontier," and the point is still there.
- IanCal 5mo agoBut the article is arguing it is broken. That’s the point. You can disagree but that’s very much that the author is writing about, not a curiosity, and that it’s these top models that are not custom security models.
- nine_k 5mo agoIt's like "Forklifts outperform humans in weightlifting". The problem, of course, is that a forklift is much easier to spot among athletes than an AI among CTF players.
- mrgoldenbrown 5mo agoCTF competitions and leaderboards are broken. Major competitions have stopped. Top competitors have dropped out.