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Reform (Farage) got a different £5m under the table donation. Robinson is gutter racism. Farage is trying to be its respectable face.

by pjc50 6mo ago

graemep 6mo ago
Reform turned down a $100m donation from musk to avoid Tommy Robinson I assume the £5m did not come with similar strings attached. The Green Party is now a lot more racist. Have you not read of the comments coming out of people withing the party, particularly its newly elected local councillors? IMO Labour are more subtle, but are as racist as Reform. They use race to attack politicians in other parties - they portray non-white Conservatives as race traitors, for example. They have a white saviour outlook, and stereotype and condescend us poor inferior groups: remember the Labour MP who said James Cleverly was not properly black because his family are affluent.
- ben_w 6mo ago
  All of them can be racist, but are you sure it is useful (or independently, accurate) to say they're the same? While Reform technically didn't exist at the time Farage had his "Breaking Point" poster and all it echoed from the mid 1900s, Farage was very much responsible for it and he literally owned Reform until very recently.
  - graemep 6mo ago
    I do not think they are the same, but right now I think the Greens the worst, and Reform about the same as Labour. I also think labour attitudes have more influence on their policy and wider culture so are more dangerous, because they come wrapped in claims to be be anti-racist. There are also smaller groups that are worse: Restore and the EDL. My real problem is with people who equate Reform with racism which is dangerous for two reasons. It gives racists on the "left" a free pass, and it ignores smaller but nasty groups on the "right". My biggest concerns are the Greens (who are likely to win a lot of sears in the next parliament), antisemitic independents, and Restore Britain who won all the seats the stood for (albeit in the same area) in the recent local government elections. Also an underlying attitude that it is OK to be racist about some particular group, or people in the wrong political parties.

Reform (Farage) got a different £5m under the table donation. Robinson is gutter racism. Farage is trying to be its respectable face.

by pjc50 6mo ago

Reform (Farage) got a different £5m under the table donation. Robinson is gutter racism. Farage is trying to be its respectable face.

graemep 6mo ago

Reform turned down a $100m donation from musk to avoid Tommy Robinson I assume the £5m did not come with similar strings attached. The Green Party is now a lot more racist. Have you not read of the comments coming out of people withing the party, particularly its newly elected local councillors? IMO Labour are more subtle, but are as racist as Reform. They use race to attack politicians in other parties - they portray non-white Conservatives as race traitors, for example. They have a white saviour outlook, and stereotype and condescend us poor inferior groups: remember the Labour MP who said James Cleverly was not properly black because his family are affluent.

ben_w 6mo ago
All of them can be racist, but are you sure it is useful (or independently, accurate) to say they're the same? While Reform technically didn't exist at the time Farage had his "Breaking Point" poster and all it echoed from the mid 1900s, Farage was very much responsible for it and he literally owned Reform until very recently.
- graemep 6mo ago
  I do not think they are the same, but right now I think the Greens the worst, and Reform about the same as Labour. I also think labour attitudes have more influence on their policy and wider culture so are more dangerous, because they come wrapped in claims to be be anti-racist. There are also smaller groups that are worse: Restore and the EDL. My real problem is with people who equate Reform with racism which is dangerous for two reasons. It gives racists on the "left" a free pass, and it ignores smaller but nasty groups on the "right". My biggest concerns are the Greens (who are likely to win a lot of sears in the next parliament), antisemitic independents, and Restore Britain who won all the seats the stood for (albeit in the same area) in the recent local government elections. Also an underlying attitude that it is OK to be racist about some particular group, or people in the wrong political parties.