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Did that risk materialise? I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. With a valid warrant authorities can gain access to information. But that's with

Did that risk materialise? I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. With a valid warrant authorities can gain access to information. But that's within a legal system designed by an elected parliament. I'm more concerned about ensuring the legal powers are checked and balanced, and stay that way.

like_any_other 5mo ago
Warrants aren't all you think they are (this is for the USA, but the UK is not exactly a beacon of liberty in comparison, so I doubt it's much better): https://web.archive.org/web/20140718122350/https://www.popehat.com/2014/07/15/warrants-bulwark-of-liberty-or-paper-shield/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140718122350/https://www.popeh... > But that's within a legal system designed by an elected parliament. Ah well if it's an elected government then the risk of it turning hostile to its people is zero, of course! And ask "did that risk materialize?" to the people in China, or North Korea, or Russia, or Belarus, or Germany [1], or USA [2]. There are countless examples of the dangers of surveillance, in the present and in history - you don't need a specific example of exactly Oyster cards being used, to know they are a danger. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/germany-deporting-pro-palestine-eu-citizens-chilling-new-step https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/german... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-administration-argues-it-can-deport-prominent-anti-israel-activist-over-his-beliefs/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-administration-argues-it-ca...
jolmg 5mo ago
> I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. The cards seem to accept cash
- chadgpt3 5mo ago
  He means the tracking potential is the same. Is the Oyster card anonymous?
  - tkocmathla 5mo ago
    Yes, they can be anonymous in the sense that you can buy one in person and top it up without an ID [1]. [1] https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/ways-to-pay/where-to-buy-tickets-and-oyster#on-this-page-0 https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/ways-to-pay/where-to-buy-tickets-an...
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  - jolmg 5mo ago
    > He means the tracking potential is the same. If you can buy and use with cash, then it isn't.

like_any_other 5mo ago

Warrants aren't all you think they are (this is for the USA, but the UK is not exactly a beacon of liberty in comparison, so I doubt it's much better): https://web.archive.org/web/20140718122350/https://www.popehat.com/2014/07/15/warrants-bulwark-of-liberty-or-paper-shield/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140718122350/https://www.popeh... > But that's within a legal system designed by an elected parliament. Ah well if it's an elected government then the risk of it turning hostile to its people is zero, of course! And ask "did that risk materialize?" to the people in China, or North Korea, or Russia, or Belarus, or Germany [1], or USA [2]. There are countless examples of the dangers of surveillance, in the present and in history - you don't need a specific example of exactly Oyster cards being used, to know they are a danger. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/germany-deporting-pro-palestine-eu-citizens-chilling-new-step https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/03/german... [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-administration-argues-it-can-deport-prominent-anti-israel-activist-over-his-beliefs/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-administration-argues-it-ca...

jolmg 5mo ago

> I suppose it would be only the same as credit cards. The cards seem to accept cash

chadgpt3 5mo ago
He means the tracking potential is the same. Is the Oyster card anonymous?
- tkocmathla 5mo ago
  Yes, they can be anonymous in the sense that you can buy one in person and top it up without an ID [1]. [1] https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/ways-to-pay/where-to-buy-tickets-and-oyster#on-this-page-0 https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/ways-to-pay/where-to-buy-tickets-an...
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- jolmg 5mo ago
  > He means the tracking potential is the same. If you can buy and use with cash, then it isn't.