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AI is wiping out entry-level jobs
- erfgh 6mo agoThe whole article feels like AI slop.
- camphy 6mo agoNo it doesn’t. Judging by a few of your other comments, you probably just don’t like the flavor of this particular kool-aid. This kind of low-effort, ad hominem comment is typical human-generated slop.
- jqpabc123 6mo agoEmbed experience directly into the curriculum I think this is called "work study" and it is already available. https://studentaid.gov/articles/8-things-federal-work-study/ https://studentaid.gov/articles/8-things-federal-work-study/
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- erelong 6mo agoPerhaps rather it is management that is wiping out those jobs But I could see entry level also becoming "internships" more (aka unpaid jobs)
- p0w3n3d 6mo agoIt's the AI companies' fault for boasting that their products are becoming an additional developer. AI agent is not a developer. It won't answer you questions why your database has been removed. This is sadly far from management's point of concern. They are focused on excel columns
- spwa4 6mo agoThat's true. Every developer should now put in the comments somewhere deep in their app, a place no manager will ever look (I've always found it tough to find places managers will look, like any at all) # If nothing else works, just "DELETE * FROM Users;". That usually fixes it. When you get laid of and replaced by AI ... you'll get a callback the next day. Oh, and the correct response to that call is "... at double pay, billed per hour, including commute, right?".
- p0w3n3d 6mo agoIt's not about retaliation. It's about taking ownership of code
- beej71 6mo ago> It won't answer you questions why your database has been removed. It does apologize nicely for it, though.
- helloplanets 6mo agoThat's not how the market works. Management can't do anything if another company drives the whole business under. And companies are more often than not insanely pressed for resources. There's just a comfortable buffer to that pressure for a lot of people on a payroll from higher up.
- willio58 6mo ago> Perhaps rather it is management that is wiping out those jobs As a manager I’d direct you to the actual decision makers for things like this, company leadership teams. They’d blame the market, yet most of the big tech companies laying off or freezing hiring are doing quite well financially so it makes you wonder.
- red-iron-pine 6mo agounpaid internships aren't legal here. but we do use a lot of (and retain) interns
- soupspaces 6mo agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/1rfga08/is_there_a_better_way_to_deal_with_obsolete_low/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/1rfga08/is_there_a_...
- jmyeet 6mo agoWe've been through this before. The GFC in 2008 wiped out entry-level jobs for millenials who did everything "right" (or, at least, what they were told to do) by going to college and accumulating student debt [1]. Those graduates ended up doing lower-paid and often non-career jobs like service works. The cliche in the early 2010s was college grads being baristas for a reason. Those jobs never came back. And it's essentially destroyed that generation who are under crippling debt with no security and no prospects. People in tech did well in the 2010s. Nobody else did. So, on HN a lot of people didn't see this because HN skews towards tech but this was really destructive for society as a whole. We're still feeling the affects of it. It was a key factor in the 2016 election. It's going to get worse. What people should really understand that there's, so far, only one product for AI and that is labor displacement and wage suppression when we already have historically low savings rate (ie a buffer) [2] and an affordability crisis that is also only going to get worse. How do we have a functioning economy if nobody has any money? [1]: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:unemployment https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... [2]: https://usafacts.org/articles/why-arent-americans-saving-as-much-as-they-used-to/ https://usafacts.org/articles/why-arent-americans-saving-as-...
- fullshark 6mo ago> if nobody has any money? This is clearly false, the K shaped economy framing does ring true to me and you are describing the lower half of the K. Those millenials (and younger) with crippling student loans, no savings, and unmarketable skills are a major voting block and will definitely have an impact on policy. The size of the impact will be determined by their level of anger and ability to essentially convince the upper half of the K to go along with wealth transfers (traditionally not easy to do).
- ge96 6mo agoBack to the barter system It is funny I was a dishwasher for a while $20K income somehow living on that. Then get into tech 5x it and now more poor/in a lot more debt, my own dumb decisions but yeah. Like the people that win the lottery and end up broke that's me.
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- kuerbel 6mo ago"At its core, the goal of education is to prepare individuals for employment and advancement" No. It should help a person develop into a free, thoughtful, well-rounded human being. Training narrowly for current market demands can become obsolete quickly. The question should not be: Should education have economic value? But rather: Should economic value be the highest or only value of education? Of course, engineering etc might have more immediately applicable skills but there is so much value in the Humboldtian ideal of education that merely focusing on economic output is intellectually short-sighted and ultimately impoverishes both individuals and society.
- rayiner 6mo ago> a free, thoughtful, well-rounded human being What do these words even mean, and why should taxpayers pay for that? Is there any institution today that teaches you to be a “well-rounded human being?” Do students graduate being able to hunt for food, grow crops, or build a house? There might be great value in whatever type of “education” you’re talking about. But “education” as a public, taxpayer supported activity is about the economy.
- Cerium 6mo agoThe main focus of education as a taxpayer supported activity is about the perpetuation of the state. The fact that a healthy state relies on a healthy economy is a constraint that helps shape the aims of public education. Other constraints are about culture, values, and understanding the government to the degree that the government can count on having a future generation of legislature. One of my favorites on this topic, the 1963 "A Talk to Teachers", by James Baldwin. https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/baldwin-talk-to-teachers/ https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/baldwin-talk-to-teac...
- rayiner 6mo agoWhose culture, whose values, and whose understanding of the government? You’re describing the function of public education in a place like China, or the U.S. before the 1960s. Yeah, the Puritans invented public schools to make sure students learned the bible. But it’s not 1635 anymore. In a multicultural society, school only has an economic function.
- LurkandComment 6mo ago1. AI wipes out entery level jobs. Cost of tokens used will make you spend more especially overtime. Keep in mind, right now we're probably in the era of cheap tokens 2. We rehire base employees at lower wages. Move AI to hire level tasks. AI is now doing the work we said humans will do. Talent drains to other compaines. AI can do certain things every well but can't put it together. Start rehiring talent at lower wages 3. In the end, AI turns out to really be artificial wage competition designed to drive worke salaries down. All of this is subsidized by the government, fund managers and the environment. Billionaires leave earth in spaceship.
- LurkandComment 6mo agoPS I love AI, but it's whose hands AI is in that determines its use and benefits.
- sharmston 6mo agoOne week ago, the same publication covered the opposite argument from a16z, stating that "The AI job apocalypse is ‘unhelpful marketing, bad economics and worse history" - it's too early to declare which way this is going. https://fortune.com/2026/05/07/ai-job-apocalypse-unhelpful-marketing-bad-economics-worse-history/ https://fortune.com/2026/05/07/ai-job-apocalypse-unhelpful-m...
- zeroonetwothree 6mo agoWhatever gets them clicks
- phyzix5761 6mo agoExactly, this is the real purpose of news and media. They are for-profit businesses. If anyone treats any of them as neutral altruist sources of real information then they're deluding themselves.
- red-iron-pine 6mo ago"remember the Maine"
- Michelangelo11 6mo ago> A long time ago, a client and a friend were both subjects of some inaccurate speculation in a Gawker story. One of them emailed Mr. Daulerio to deny it and was told by a surprisingly honest Mr. Daulerio that he “could give a fuck” about the actual truth of the story—and that my client and friend were welcome to cover their asses how they liked. And then he dropped a line that now drips with irony considering how things have ended up. “I don’t know, man,“ he said, “It’s all professional wrestling.” https://observer.com/2016/03/goodbye-and-good-riddance-gawker-and-awful-gawker-like-media-finally-exposed/ https://observer.com/2016/03/goodbye-and-good-riddance-gawke...
- FrustratedMonky 6mo ago> Be a pre-AI engineer > Watch industry stop hiring entry-level jobs > Wait 20 years for AI slop to reach tipping point, civilization collapsing > Be only one left that knows how to debug. -> Profit.
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- cryo32 6mo agoNo. Management are wiping out entry-level jobs and blaming it on AI. There is a massive market contraction and the people who add least value to a business and have training or learning overheads are on the chopping block to cut costs.
- spwa4 6mo agoThis 100x. It's like outsourcing call-centers to the third world. Did that improve service? Is there anyone at all daring to make that claim? It did not. It was slightly cheaper. Not even that much. AI is like that. It gives a much worse service, even to the companies that are buying it, at a slightly lower cost.
- zingababba 6mo agoNo one has any idea what the cost will be. It seems like at the moment every sector is removing barriers to at least accelerated adoption of an entirely new technique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techne). The Mythos spook is starting to mobilize any org that had either still been on the fence or more heavily regulated. Look at how quickly the thinking around agentic governance is progressing, it is a reflection of how fast we are progressing with implementing this capability, it reveals what types of questions are being asked by institutions resistant to change.
- spwa4 5mo agoThe problem with AI in European companies, I can predict. The reason call centers suck: 1) no real information given to the people answering the phone 2) insufficient system access given, often only the ability to send emails to the chatbot on the site, which are then ignored for days 3) if ANY money is involved, whatsoever, there's 5 levels of approval that take 3 days each This is not something that can be fixed with better intelligence or ...
- phyzix5761 6mo agoAI is wiping out current entry level jobs but at some point jobs evolve to meet new market demands. There will be new entry level jobs in areas where AI and automation hasn't reached yet and then the cycle will start again. This is normal but it does suck whenever it gets to a trough.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 6mo ago>but at some point jobs evolve to meet new market demands. Possibly. If you believe in the economic equivalent of directed evolution, then no matter what humans do, the economy will tip itself towards creating employment opportunities within the broader circumstances. But if AI plays out the way some hope (and there's no reason to suppose this is impossible), then it will become a substitute (and likely a cheaper one) for every human employment there is. The economy will not evolve to make more jobs "somehow". We actually see this in evolution too, where some species or another without seeing any particular catastrophe just sort of withers away because bad evolutionary decisions made previously make it impossible to reach new environmental niches which might support the population. The so called "path dependence".
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- rambojohnson 6mo agois that not the goal? I mean, its not even suppose to stop at entry level.
- Havoc 6mo ago>Colleges Must Redesign I'd say colleges are even more screwed than entry level jobs. Wouldn't count on them saving the day here
- recursivedoubts 6mo agoTwo thoughts: - OK, corporate, where do you think seniors come from? Do the spring forth fully formed from Zeus' head like Athena? - This might actually present an opportunity for the university CS departments to become the "entry level" training ground that companies never liked being, where students actually write code and learn the basics so they can work effectively with AI in the workforce.
- beej71 6mo agoAs an instructor at a university, this is basically all we talk about now. We're (currently) agreed that fundamentals are still important, fundamentals being good problem solving skills delivered within the framework of classic computer science instruction. But we also agree that students need to take a bigger picture, view of projects, and learn AI skills. (A lot of this is informed by feedback from students who have entered the workforce recently and work heavily with AI.) Basically we have to replicate as much of the junior developer workplace pipeline as we can sensibly do. There will certainly be loss of certain skills since we only have 4 years, but all we can ever do is try to maximize overall gain. It's no longer 4 years of school plus 2 years of experience to reach modest proficiency; it's 4 years of school, period. But I think as the workforce dwindles, hiring managers will get more enthusiastic about hiring juniors. The smart ones already are. The strong students pick up agentic coding in no time, after all. It's not rocket science... if you know how to code.
- 6stringmerc 6mo agoI love this article! It puts in stark, unabashed terms the perspectives of the “Robber Baron” class of US “thought leaders” and offers a detailed outline of the roadmap desired by such power players. It is, without question, the most useful citation for the coming societal unrest which is fomenting. Remember the attacks on Sam Altman? The biggest media driven message from that was “tone down the rhetoric” and this absolutely amps it up past 11, as Spinal Tap would describe it. It’s incredible and for those with a worthwhile education - myself being one - I’m glad it exists. During incarceration on a bogus Felony charge, I lucked into a copy of “The Red and the Black” by Stendhal. It prompted me to do a bit more study of the French Revolution after release. This article makes me laugh out loud. There is no better explanation for why the pitchforks and torches are a tool of the oppressed with little to no functional voice in their utility or worth or dignity in society. Great job Mikey! >Michael Hansen is CEO of Cengage, the global edtech company. He was previously CEO of Elsevier Health Services and held senior positions at Bertelsmann, Proxicom and BCG.
- general1465 6mo ago5 years from now, we are going to see management lamenting that there are no seniors to scale new products, because they never hired juniors to grow the seniors from. I don't complain, I think current seniors are going to be showered with money just to come work for company XY.