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Sure, and Volkswagen’s diesel cars are totally clean and pass emissions tests as written. Your trust in the law (EU law! Haha) to do the enforcing itself is ni

Sure, and Volkswagen’s diesel cars are totally clean and pass emissions tests as written. Your trust in the law (EU law! Haha) to do the enforcing itself is nice, but history and lived experience tell me that these laws are going to be skirted if there’s money in it.

GJim 5mo ago
Sorry, I missed the bit where the company was fined, prosecuted, suffered a consumer backlash and subsequently brought their behaviour into check. Honestly, the number of people on here spreading FUD and defending the 'right' for the adtech industry to invade their private lives and treat them like shit is unreal. One could almost think their salaries are dependent on it!
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  Happens every time EU/Europe is mentioned, and most of it is sadly based around misconceptions and misunderstandings. It's a shame, because in general HN tends to be well informed, but something about EU/Europe seems to make most commentators switch to "knee-jerk reactions" reply mode, rather than the usual thoughtful discussions.
  - sailfast 5mo ago
    I’m assuming you are European? Do you get the impression that the EU parliament is a body that is respected across Europe as competent and able to enforce laws reliably and properly? It can’t even keep the bloc together. I’m not skeptical of Europe - but I’ve studied governments long enough to know that it’s hard to enforce these things at any sort of reasonable cost / level. You need to be defensive in your thinking, and the FUD here is completely reasonable.
- monegator 5mo ago
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- sailfast 5mo ago
  Where are the fines for the tech companies breaking the law? I’ll look on my end as well, but if they’re not being fined more than they’re making by breaking the law your data is still going to leave your vehicle.
embedding-shape 5mo ago
Of course, if you're under the misunderstanding that there is such a thing as "EU law", and you somehow think that "EU" is the one who's supposed to enforce EU member states laws, I understand it all looks funny. But once you sit down and learn how it actually works, I'm sure it'll make more sense even to you.

GJim 5mo ago

Sorry, I missed the bit where the company was fined, prosecuted, suffered a consumer backlash and subsequently brought their behaviour into check. Honestly, the number of people on here spreading FUD and defending the 'right' for the adtech industry to invade their private lives and treat them like shit is unreal. One could almost think their salaries are dependent on it!

embedding-shape 5mo ago
Happens every time EU/Europe is mentioned, and most of it is sadly based around misconceptions and misunderstandings. It's a shame, because in general HN tends to be well informed, but something about EU/Europe seems to make most commentators switch to "knee-jerk reactions" reply mode, rather than the usual thoughtful discussions.
- sailfast 5mo ago
  I’m assuming you are European? Do you get the impression that the EU parliament is a body that is respected across Europe as competent and able to enforce laws reliably and properly? It can’t even keep the bloc together. I’m not skeptical of Europe - but I’ve studied governments long enough to know that it’s hard to enforce these things at any sort of reasonable cost / level. You need to be defensive in your thinking, and the FUD here is completely reasonable.
monegator 5mo ago
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sailfast 5mo ago
Where are the fines for the tech companies breaking the law? I’ll look on my end as well, but if they’re not being fined more than they’re making by breaking the law your data is still going to leave your vehicle.

embedding-shape 5mo ago

Of course, if you're under the misunderstanding that there is such a thing as "EU law", and you somehow think that "EU" is the one who's supposed to enforce EU member states laws, I understand it all looks funny. But once you sit down and learn how it actually works, I'm sure it'll make more sense even to you.