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> place of low-trust, your ISP, to a place of high-trust, ideally a trustworthy VPN like Mullvad This is highly subjective statement. Almost all commercial VP
by jesterson 5mo ago
> place of low-trust, your ISP, to a place of high-trust, ideally a trustworthy VPN like Mullvad
This is highly subjective statement.
Almost all commercial VPN services farm and sell your data. Just by that, my ISP is definitely high trust point while any commercial VPN is a low trust.
- sfdlkj3jk342a 5mo agoI can easily pay for a VPN service with crypto anonymously. I can also use a VPN run by a company outside my country of residence and jurisdiction. Neither of those is possible with my ISP.
- dakolli 5mo agoprepaid 5g sim cards and 5g modem.
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- SXX 5mo agoYes and 5G provider knows your exact location while VPNs can be easily chained.
- dakolli 5mo agoSure, if you want to get crazy with it you put prepaid phone in another location, put it on your Tailscale VPN then proxy all traffic through the prepaid phone with something like: https://github.com/kost/revsocks https://github.com/kost/revsocks Phone doesn't even need data if you have access to wifi wherever you stash it. VPN chaining easier though.
- SXX 5mo agoWhole idea of "put phone in location X" alone is much harder to implement than to buy 5, 10 or 100 VPN account or servers with crypto and setup how you like. Like you need to physically be there, need ability to connect phone it to electricity and somehow maintain if it e.g reboots. And stay anonymous while doing so? I'd say that Hollywood kind of solution.
- notpushkin 5mo agoMake it a “tourist eSIM” for a good measure. Your phone will be in one country, your exit IP in another (because there usually use roaming). That said, you might still want to use a VPN on top of that, depending on what you’re doing.
- jesterson 5mo agoPaying with crypto does something to deindentify you, but does nothing about your traffic. It's still being watched.
- applfanboysbgon 5mo agoYour ISP farms and sells your data too. Most VPNs are untrustworthy, but unlike ISPs, you can choose from any VPN provider in the world, not just the two or three that are local to you. And there are VPN providers in the world that have been proven not to retain data by audits + actual court cases where the court determined that the VPN provider did not have the data authorities were seeking. Do your research and choose a court-proven VPN, it's that simple.
- KingOfCoders 5mo agoDeutsche Telekom in Germany/EU farms and sells my data? Any sources?
- applfanboysbgon 5mo agoYou probably won't find direct proof any more than you will find direct proof of any random VPN selling your data, it's just a given that commercial entities are liable to sell financially valuable data, and a list of all traffic, every website you visit and every service you use, tied to a specific identity is certainly financially valuable. Being in the EU doesn't change this; in fact the EU explicitly required that ISPs retain your identifying data with the Data Retention Directive, and though this was struck down after 8 years in court, many individual national governments immediately moved to impose similar requirements. I don't know if Germany was one of them but unless Germany has a specific privacy directive that goes beyond EU law I would see zero reason to place any trust in an ISP. In fact even if there was a law that's still not a reason to trust an ISP, because privacy laws are violated constantly; the most trustworthy source by far is a party acting opposite to the government, who has been investigated by the government and proven not to log the data that the government wants.
- KingOfCoders 5mo ago"EU explicitly required that ISPs retain your identifying data with the Data Retention Directive" And then sells it?
- jojobas 5mo agoNow try saying that wearing some Russian or Chinese shoes.
- faangguyindia 5mo agoMost ISPs have invested big bucks in Deep Packet Inspection
- sfdlkj3jk342a 5mo agoThat just helps them classify the type of traffic. They're not breaking the encryption to see the actual content.
- eipi10_hn 5mo agoMy ISP is in a communist country, they sell other products like TV boxes, cameras, clouds and have ads/trackers on all of their products too. Should I trust my ISP than Mullvad? LMFAO.
- jesterson 5mo agoThat’s your speculation, nothing more. Your provider is likely charging good prices for their services. VPN providers often charge unsustainable prices, if you factor in their expenses. Unsustainable if you just provide VPN services
- cubefox 5mo ago> Almost all commercial VPN services farm and sell your data. Citation needed.
- jesterson 5mo agoI understand it's not up to your (or anyone's) level of belief, but I am in intimately familiar with their modus operandi. For everyone in the industry it is le secret de Polichinelle.
- cubefox 5mo agoI think they don't sell their VPN data, because if that ever came out, that would destroy their business. Selling the data would be far too risky for them.
- jesterson 5mo agoThats like saying there is no corruption in government because it would undermine public trust in it. Of course there is, and to huge extent. They know they canget away with it, so they do.
- weezing 5mo agoCould you please provide proof for such findings about eg. Proton and Mullvad?