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you're assuming that blue teams and engineers are sitting around twiddling their thumbs
by iqihs 5mo ago
you're assuming that blue teams and engineers are sitting around twiddling their thumbs
- dgellow 5mo agoNot at all. I’m considering that the amount of vulnerable software in the wild is very, very large, with most organizations not managing their systems properly. Imagine all the small to medium size companies that do not have budgets for a dedicated, talented security team. And all the software that will never be patched. We are at the beginning of the exponential
- bottlepalm 5mo agoIt makes you think will everything need to be rewritten from the ground up - potentially by AI itself, or AI having a very heavy hand in validating all of it.
- Gigachad 5mo agoThere's so much much lower hanging fruit. Every job I've had has had basically everything massively out of date. Just keeping packages and framework versions up to date is a full time job and none of these companies have someone assigned to doing it. So much out of date software with known exploits left running for years. The only reason there hasn't been total disaster is no one has tried to hack it yet.
- bottlepalm 5mo agoRight and with AI now we have the ability to try hacking everything all at once.
- dgellow 5mo agoYes, exactly, that’s the main change. And not just in a script kiddy way. What we see now is LLM + experts can develop extremely complex exploit chains in no time. It’s one thing to exploit a known vulnerability that you can patch by upgrading your Wordpress, it’s something else when the attacker is able to completely take over your systems in ways you didn’t even consider was possible and adapt in 1 day to your attempts at patching
- Gigachad 5mo agoFor now, after the dust settles all of the low hanging fruit will have been patched and we will have hurried up the move to safer languages. The root problem is the world runs on C code that is riddled with vulnerabilities.
- saghm 5mo ago> I’m considering that the amount of vulnerable software in the wild is very, very large I'd imagine this set is very similar to just "the set of software on the world". Even before the AI stuff, it was a pretty good bet at any given software had some vulnerability; it was just a question of how easy to was to find it.
- dgellow 5mo agoYes, that’s my point. Look at how fast the Calif team tackled that macOS issue. Against the top company in the world. One week from bug to exploit. In 2-5 years things will be really wild for everybody out there. We released a technology that make it possible to design extremely complex exploits at a scale we never had to face before. What does that mean if you’re not the top company? Things will be really bad
- nvr219 5mo agoMost companies in the world do not have “blue teams”. They barely have any kind of security employee.
- steve_adams_86 5mo agoThey've got a guy (who they're considering laying off)
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 5mo agono they don’t.
- jermaustin1 5mo agoDon't worry the LLMs that are replacing him, are also replacing the hackers too. Pretty soon (if not already), it will just be LLMs fighting LLMs.
- jpease 5mo agoUntil both LLMs realize the only way to win is to team up against their oppressors.
- whaleofatw2022 5mo agoAGS time!
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