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Isn’t this sort of how all terminal degrees work? MDs, JDs, etc are all putting the candidates through the wringer, for relatively low wages, until they’re “exp
by garciasn 5mo ago
Isn’t this sort of how all terminal degrees work? MDs, JDs, etc are all putting the candidates through the wringer, for relatively low wages, until they’re “experienced”. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s common knowledge it’s the way things work if you want to have those magic letters of a terminal degree next to your name in your email signature.
Don’t want to deal with the machinations required? Opt for the masters track or just get an Undergraduate degree and spend 20y working your way up.
- ohyoutravel 5mo agoMasters in Law so you can…pontificate about the law?
- nomadygnt 5mo agoYes, but I think as time goes on, fewer and fewer people are going to consider those letters next to their name worth it for the years that they need to invest. So, I am just saying that if MIT or whoever else is worried about having fewer grad students (not saying that they/we should be), then maybe it's time to change how it works.
- xhevahir 5mo agoJD isn't a terminal degree. There's two higher degrees I think. MDs and JDs are professional professional qualifications, which makes their situation a bit different from purely academic degrees. For example the ABA acts kind of like a cartel. I don't think I disagree with you, by the way. I'm just more unhappy about it. All of these sclerotic, even corrupt, institutions acting like aging vats for talented youth, all to exclude newcomers and to maintain hierarchies...they're not ideal.
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- garciasn 5mo agoA JD is most definitely a terminal degree. If you need a source; here is one: https://fulbrightscholars.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/US-Scholar-Terminal-Degrees.pdf https://fulbrightscholars.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/US...
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- Retric 5mo agoThat’s arguable. “LL.M. programs are usually only open to those students who have first obtained a degree in law, typically an LL.B. or J.D.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Laws It’s generally for people who want to hyper focus on one area of law or switch countries.
- frmersdog 5mo agoThat's strange, I was just asking Claude to write a motion for me earlier, and I've never even taken the LSAT.
- jwagenet 5mo agoIn the US, phds and professional degrees are more or less geared toward students who are comfortable enough financially to stomach the opportunity cost of 6-10+ years of additional education, unpaid or underpaid residencies and internships, and long apprenticeship hours (which prevent backfilling financial gaps) before making “real” income.
- MikeTheGreat 5mo agoCan I ask why this is getting downvoted? Most of the other comments are basically saying this ("the pay is too low for too long for not enough reward"). Anecdotally: I'm teaching a course in "How To Be Successful In College" (not it's real name) at the US community college where I teach Computer Science. I've got more than 1 student who are going to get a credential for nursing because there's just no way they can spend 8-10 years in school to become a doctor. Would they be good doctors? The question is moot because it's never gonna happen.
- underlipton 5mo agoI don't know that people even care, at that. The way most are forced to interact with the healthcare system, a doctor is just a nurse in a white coat who's also a bit of an asshole (aloof and/or smarmy). Especially when they misdiagnose or miss a diagnoses.
- underlipton 5mo ago*diagnosis I can never tell if I'm pissing off [professionals] or third-parties invested in the idea of [profession] not being dysfunctional. Best medical system in the world, except for all the others.
- 9x39 5mo ago>a doctor is just a nurse in a white coat plus 10-15k hours of school, residency, etc give-or-take. Let's give credit where it's due.
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