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> I’m an alum now, not a student, but even college students can submit a FOIA request. "Show me the reports on unreported cheating"? > Additionally, you could

> I’m an alum now, not a student, but even college students can submit a FOIA request. "Show me the reports on unreported cheating"? > Additionally, you could see the breakdown by race (and more) of people that were expelled. How do you know they were expelled for cheating? And not sexual harassment, or in some universities breaking codes of conduct around public behavior. You have heard of FERPA, right? It would be entirely illegal to give information that allows identification of students based on academic results.

Forgeties79 5mo ago
Over half the faculty literally admitted they don’t report/don’t feel comfortable reporting in an anonymous survey when this was being more rigorously interrogated. It’s easy to infer “therefore a lot of cheating goes unreported” from that. Second question: Because cheating is handled by a specific group and sexual misconduct/assault is a criminal offense that gets you arrested (it’s also handled at the school level by a specific group). They aren’t the same thing and they aren’t combined in reporting. I can’t imagine any school combines those two but maybe there are outliers. The number of students expelled for cheating at my school was a concrete, annual number that was public knowledge. So many of you keep asking all these random questions trying to poke holes. If you don’t believe me, just move on. I am giving you all the specificity I’m going to give you. You either believe me or you don’t. I have nothing to gain by lying on HN about a school I attended decades ago. I am relaying something I have a lot of firsthand knowledge of. You can find value in it or not. There was a clear, demonstrable problem with the way cheating was handled. They've altered it because of this. That’s the story.
- crackercrews 5mo ago
  Unless I missed something, no one ever addressed the original question, which is how we know the policy was enforced along racially discriminatory lines. This requires knowing the extent of cheating in various racial groups and the extent of enforcement in each group. No evidence of the former has been presented. Even if most of the people who were disciplined are from URM groups, that doesn't prove racially-biased enforcement.
- FireBeyond 5mo ago
  Weirdly to you, perhaps, I am absolutely confident that there is a high degree of probability about your story (that expulsions for cheating were enforced along racial or gender lines) is accurate. Maybe I’m just overzealously arguing about the verifiability of it.
  - Forgeties79 5mo ago
    That’s fair. I’m also getting a fair number of responses from people who are clearly incredulous about what I’m saying, so I probably unfairly lumped you in with them.

Forgeties79 5mo ago

Over half the faculty literally admitted they don’t report/don’t feel comfortable reporting in an anonymous survey when this was being more rigorously interrogated. It’s easy to infer “therefore a lot of cheating goes unreported” from that. Second question: Because cheating is handled by a specific group and sexual misconduct/assault is a criminal offense that gets you arrested (it’s also handled at the school level by a specific group). They aren’t the same thing and they aren’t combined in reporting. I can’t imagine any school combines those two but maybe there are outliers. The number of students expelled for cheating at my school was a concrete, annual number that was public knowledge. So many of you keep asking all these random questions trying to poke holes. If you don’t believe me, just move on. I am giving you all the specificity I’m going to give you. You either believe me or you don’t. I have nothing to gain by lying on HN about a school I attended decades ago. I am relaying something I have a lot of firsthand knowledge of. You can find value in it or not. There was a clear, demonstrable problem with the way cheating was handled. They've altered it because of this. That’s the story.

crackercrews 5mo ago
Unless I missed something, no one ever addressed the original question, which is how we know the policy was enforced along racially discriminatory lines. This requires knowing the extent of cheating in various racial groups and the extent of enforcement in each group. No evidence of the former has been presented. Even if most of the people who were disciplined are from URM groups, that doesn't prove racially-biased enforcement.
FireBeyond 5mo ago
Weirdly to you, perhaps, I am absolutely confident that there is a high degree of probability about your story (that expulsions for cheating were enforced along racial or gender lines) is accurate. Maybe I’m just overzealously arguing about the verifiability of it.
- Forgeties79 5mo ago
  That’s fair. I’m also getting a fair number of responses from people who are clearly incredulous about what I’m saying, so I probably unfairly lumped you in with them.