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No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," cut the hyperbole.

by loeg 5mo ago

ceejayoz 5mo ago
Stop freaking out at thought experiments. I'm asking what should happen in such a scenario. Should a democratic society be able to vote to nuke their least favorite city? Should they be able to vote for slavery? Should they be able to vote to legalize raping kids? What should a democratic populace not be able to inflict upon the less powerful segments of society?
- loeg 5mo ago
  To clarify, you agree that the Trump admin / MAGA political movement isn't fascism and his election wasn't an overthrow of democracy? Your earlier remarks were just a thought experiment? That isn't really the sense I've gotten from your historical comments.
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    I don't agree; it's simply irrelevant here. We either accept "there are some things you shouldn't be able to democratically vote for" like, say, the Holocaust or reinstating slavery, or we do not. You added Trump to the conversation, not me.
    - just_some_guy_2 5mo ago
      Isn't that basically what a constitution is for? A constitutional monarchy limits the power of the king, and a constitutional democracy limits the power of the elected government?
      - ryoshoe 5mo ago
        The constitution isn't static. Amendments can be repealed. An elected government could appoint judges to overturn any previous precedents
JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
> No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," Most Trump voters didn't. A sizeable fraction have openly agitated for, and supported, violently overthrowing our elected government.
- loeg 5mo ago
  It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. (I don't like Trump, MAGA, or January 6ers either, FWIW. But it's important to speak about this stuff truthfully.)
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    > It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. Less so when they elect/appoint them to national-level leadership.

No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," cut the hyperbole.

by loeg 5mo ago

No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," cut the hyperbole.

Stop freaking out at thought experiments. I'm asking what should happen in such a scenario. Should a democratic society be able to vote to nuke their least favorite city? Should they be able to vote for slavery? Should they be able to vote to legalize raping kids? What should a democratic populace not be able to inflict upon the less powerful segments of society?

loeg 5mo ago
To clarify, you agree that the Trump admin / MAGA political movement isn't fascism and his election wasn't an overthrow of democracy? Your earlier remarks were just a thought experiment? That isn't really the sense I've gotten from your historical comments.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  I don't agree; it's simply irrelevant here. We either accept "there are some things you shouldn't be able to democratically vote for" like, say, the Holocaust or reinstating slavery, or we do not. You added Trump to the conversation, not me.
  - just_some_guy_2 5mo ago
    Isn't that basically what a constitution is for? A constitutional monarchy limits the power of the king, and a constitutional democracy limits the power of the elected government?
    - ryoshoe 5mo ago
      The constitution isn't static. Amendments can be repealed. An elected government could appoint judges to overturn any previous precedents

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago

> No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," Most Trump voters didn't. A sizeable fraction have openly agitated for, and supported, violently overthrowing our elected government.

loeg 5mo ago
It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. (I don't like Trump, MAGA, or January 6ers either, FWIW. But it's important to speak about this stuff truthfully.)
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  > It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. Less so when they elect/appoint them to national-level leadership.