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> So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Well, what should a democratic society do when that democracy votes to overthrow it and do

> So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Well, what should a democratic society do when that democracy votes to overthrow it and do fascism?

SiempreViernes 6mo ago
Probably accept it wasn't actually a fair system and put in some proper legislation about district drawing algorithms, voting access, and campaign financing. You also have to take a good luck at the unelected legislative power of the supreme court, those clowns aren't doing democracy any favours.
loeg 6mo ago
No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," cut the hyperbole.
- ceejayoz 6mo ago
  Stop freaking out at thought experiments. I'm asking what should happen in such a scenario. Should a democratic society be able to vote to nuke their least favorite city? Should they be able to vote for slavery? Should they be able to vote to legalize raping kids? What should a democratic populace not be able to inflict upon the less powerful segments of society?
  - loeg 6mo ago
    To clarify, you agree that the Trump admin / MAGA political movement isn't fascism and his election wasn't an overthrow of democracy? Your earlier remarks were just a thought experiment? That isn't really the sense I've gotten from your historical comments.
    - ceejayoz 6mo ago
      I don't agree; it's simply irrelevant here. We either accept "there are some things you shouldn't be able to democratically vote for" like, say, the Holocaust or reinstating slavery, or we do not. You added Trump to the conversation, not me.
      - just_some_guy_2 6mo ago
        Isn't that basically what a constitution is for? A constitutional monarchy limits the power of the king, and a constitutional democracy limits the power of the elected government?
        ryoshoe 6mo ago
        The constitution isn't static. Amendments can be repealed. An elected government could appoint judges to overturn any previous precedents
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," Most Trump voters didn't. A sizeable fraction have openly agitated for, and supported, violently overthrowing our elected government.
  - loeg 6mo ago
    It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. (I don't like Trump, MAGA, or January 6ers either, FWIW. But it's important to speak about this stuff truthfully.)
    - ceejayoz 6mo ago
      > It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. Less so when they elect/appoint them to national-level leadership.

> So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Well, what should a democratic society do when that democracy votes to overthrow it and do fascism?

SiempreViernes 6mo ago

Probably accept it wasn't actually a fair system and put in some proper legislation about district drawing algorithms, voting access, and campaign financing. You also have to take a good luck at the unelected legislative power of the supreme court, those clowns aren't doing democracy any favours.

loeg 6mo ago

No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," cut the hyperbole.

ceejayoz 6mo ago
Stop freaking out at thought experiments. I'm asking what should happen in such a scenario. Should a democratic society be able to vote to nuke their least favorite city? Should they be able to vote for slavery? Should they be able to vote to legalize raping kids? What should a democratic populace not be able to inflict upon the less powerful segments of society?
- loeg 6mo ago
  To clarify, you agree that the Trump admin / MAGA political movement isn't fascism and his election wasn't an overthrow of democracy? Your earlier remarks were just a thought experiment? That isn't really the sense I've gotten from your historical comments.
  - ceejayoz 6mo ago
    I don't agree; it's simply irrelevant here. We either accept "there are some things you shouldn't be able to democratically vote for" like, say, the Holocaust or reinstating slavery, or we do not. You added Trump to the conversation, not me.
    - just_some_guy_2 6mo ago
      Isn't that basically what a constitution is for? A constitutional monarchy limits the power of the king, and a constitutional democracy limits the power of the elected government?
      - ryoshoe 6mo ago
        The constitution isn't static. Amendments can be repealed. An elected government could appoint judges to overturn any previous precedents
JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> No one voted to "overthrow" democracy and do "fascism," Most Trump voters didn't. A sizeable fraction have openly agitated for, and supported, violently overthrowing our elected government.
- loeg 6mo ago
  It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. (I don't like Trump, MAGA, or January 6ers either, FWIW. But it's important to speak about this stuff truthfully.)
  - ceejayoz 6mo ago
    > It's mostly inaccurate to characterize large groups by their minority fringe members. Less so when they elect/appoint them to national-level leadership.