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Jolla Mobile: website launch and Sailfish OS sneak peek

44 points by rmldsky 14y ago

barredo 14y ago
Isn't this "Meego" based. There's an Android logo at 0m50 http://cl.ly/image/2D1l2X470d3C http://cl.ly/image/2D1l2X470d3C does it means it will run Android apps or that is an Android fork? Edit. http://www.slashgear.com/jolla-planning-3-5-phone-with-android-app-compatibility-20243313/ http://www.slashgear.com/jolla-planning-3-5-phone-with-andro... It will run Android apps. Nice.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  Does that mean Jolla will be banned from shipping on any phone from Samsung, HTC, Acer, ASUS, Lenovo, LG, Sony, Motorola(cough), Huwaei, Toshiba, Dell, ZTE etc. ? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/google-blocked-acers-rival-phone-to-prevent-android-fragmentation/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/google-blocked-acers-... What major OEM is left to make the phones? Nokia? (har har) Apple? (Yeah right.) RIM?
rwbt 14y ago
I hope Sailfish implements the Swipe UI from N9. That was one of the best UI paradigms in recent years.
- tominated 14y ago
  You and me both. I miss it whenever I use a phone that isn't my N9. It just seems so natural. The actual shape of the phone helped a lot though - I don't think it would work as well if the front was completely flat.
- adityab 14y ago
  It does. As a nice addition, you can also control stuff within apps directly from the multitask grid.
- rmldsky 14y ago
  +1, but unfortunately Swype UI as it is belongs to Nokia. Maybe they'll do something similar, some swyping similar gestures can already be seen on those videos. Time will tell.
- isani 14y ago
  It seems they are doing something similar, but with vertical scrolling/swiping. Swipe up from notifications to get to running apps, swipe again to get to the full list of apps.
rmldsky 14y ago
Additional video, showing Sailfish OS in use: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=154747 http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=154747 Person in video is Marc Dillon, CEO of Jolla.
- ccozan 14y ago
  Youtube version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A for those who don't have Silverlight.
adityab 14y ago
I am happy. I've always wanted a real Linux phone that is well-supported both by a community and a commercial vendor. Consider the alternatives: iOS and WP are closed, Android is based on Linux but needs a JVM to do most things - and of course is heavily controlled by Google.. Why is a true Linux phone where you can run native apps important? Because you can port existing libraries that people have worked hard to make on the desktop, easily onto the phone, and create awesome experiences without reinventing the wheel - consider Telepathy-supported unified IM. You could also do lots of geekery - use your phone as a first-class development device (I've served a couple of websites for development work straight through my N900 over 3G, running a LAMP stack on the phone, while coding the whole thing in a shell using Vim and it's associated addons, right on the phone). That's not the point here though. The point is that this gives you true freedom to do whatever you want. This involves building amazing apps, porting excellent libraries previously used on the desktop, and lots more. From what I've read, I'm assuming that Sailfish lets you do all that.
- mtgx 14y ago
  We'll see. I saw an interview with them this year, and something they said worried me. They basically admitted their OS would be heavily controlled by carriers, but they tried to spin it as "working very close with carriers". If that's the case, it might provide an even worse experience regarding carrier bloatware and whatnot than Android. Plus, leaving the control up in the air, means that it could become as fragmented as the Linux world - which is much more fragmented than Android. At least you can run an Android app on virtually any Android-based phone. To be honest, I'm more excited about Firefox OS. I even like its UI more than this, which looks like a mix of different UI ideas from different operating systems. Not that I have anything against borrowing ideas and building on them - it's just that I don't think the result is very good.
  - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
    What is your expectation for the relationship between a manufacturer and carriers? The carriers are their customers. If they want to stay in business, they have to make their customers happy, like any other industry. The idea that they are going to put their foot down and strong-arm the carriers is not a realistic one. I take that comment to mean Jolla wants to stay in business.
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moondowner 14y ago
Any screenshots?
- dsarle 14y ago
  There is also a hands-on preview here: http://www.arcticstartup.com/2012/11/21/jolla-comes-out-of-hiding-launches-sailfish http://www.arcticstartup.com/2012/11/21/jolla-comes-out-of-h...
MrBhoot 14y ago
I must say it is really an innovative and a usable UI concept. It seems that Jolla has all those MeeGo engineers from Nokia who developed the Swipe UI of N9. The pulley menu is a great conept. You slide the menu to make the selection. Nice touch. Another useful feature is the stuff you can operate on the "multitasked windows". I wonder though, how would the UI display more than 4 multitasked windows - displaying smaller icons or may be provide a horizontal navigation for 4+ windows. Definitely an OS worth waiting for. It would be awesome if I can deploy it on my N9!
- Maakuth 14y ago
  Deploying on N9 seems to be a real possibility. Currently they seem to be doing their development on N950, the qwerty-equipped sister model of N9 that never was brought to the market.
  - TwoSheds 14y ago
    That's great news! Maybe I'll find some use for my N950 soon.

44 points by rmldsky 14y ago

Isn't this "Meego" based. There's an Android logo at 0m50 http://cl.ly/image/2D1l2X470d3C http://cl.ly/image/2D1l2X470d3C does it means it will run Android apps or that is an Android fork? Edit. http://www.slashgear.com/jolla-planning-3-5-phone-with-android-app-compatibility-20243313/ http://www.slashgear.com/jolla-planning-3-5-phone-with-andro... It will run Android apps. Nice.

recoiledsnake 14y ago
Does that mean Jolla will be banned from shipping on any phone from Samsung, HTC, Acer, ASUS, Lenovo, LG, Sony, Motorola(cough), Huwaei, Toshiba, Dell, ZTE etc. ? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/google-blocked-acers-rival-phone-to-prevent-android-fragmentation/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/google-blocked-acers-... What major OEM is left to make the phones? Nokia? (har har) Apple? (Yeah right.) RIM?

rwbt 14y ago

I hope Sailfish implements the Swipe UI from N9. That was one of the best UI paradigms in recent years.

tominated 14y ago
You and me both. I miss it whenever I use a phone that isn't my N9. It just seems so natural. The actual shape of the phone helped a lot though - I don't think it would work as well if the front was completely flat.
adityab 14y ago
It does. As a nice addition, you can also control stuff within apps directly from the multitask grid.
rmldsky 14y ago
+1, but unfortunately Swype UI as it is belongs to Nokia. Maybe they'll do something similar, some swyping similar gestures can already be seen on those videos. Time will tell.
isani 14y ago
It seems they are doing something similar, but with vertical scrolling/swiping. Swipe up from notifications to get to running apps, swipe again to get to the full list of apps.

rmldsky 14y ago

Additional video, showing Sailfish OS in use: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=154747 http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=154747 Person in video is Marc Dillon, CEO of Jolla.

ccozan 14y ago
Youtube version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A for those who don't have Silverlight.

adityab 14y ago

I am happy. I've always wanted a real Linux phone that is well-supported both by a community and a commercial vendor. Consider the alternatives: iOS and WP are closed, Android is based on Linux but needs a JVM to do most things - and of course is heavily controlled by Google.. Why is a true Linux phone where you can run native apps important? Because you can port existing libraries that people have worked hard to make on the desktop, easily onto the phone, and create awesome experiences without reinventing the wheel - consider Telepathy-supported unified IM. You could also do lots of geekery - use your phone as a first-class development device (I've served a couple of websites for development work straight through my N900 over 3G, running a LAMP stack on the phone, while coding the whole thing in a shell using Vim and it's associated addons, right on the phone). That's not the point here though. The point is that this gives you true freedom to do whatever you want. This involves building amazing apps, porting excellent libraries previously used on the desktop, and lots more. From what I've read, I'm assuming that Sailfish lets you do all that.

mtgx 14y ago
We'll see. I saw an interview with them this year, and something they said worried me. They basically admitted their OS would be heavily controlled by carriers, but they tried to spin it as "working very close with carriers". If that's the case, it might provide an even worse experience regarding carrier bloatware and whatnot than Android. Plus, leaving the control up in the air, means that it could become as fragmented as the Linux world - which is much more fragmented than Android. At least you can run an Android app on virtually any Android-based phone. To be honest, I'm more excited about Firefox OS. I even like its UI more than this, which looks like a mix of different UI ideas from different operating systems. Not that I have anything against borrowing ideas and building on them - it's just that I don't think the result is very good.
- MatthewPhillips 14y ago
  What is your expectation for the relationship between a manufacturer and carriers? The carriers are their customers. If they want to stay in business, they have to make their customers happy, like any other industry. The idea that they are going to put their foot down and strong-arm the carriers is not a realistic one. I take that comment to mean Jolla wants to stay in business.

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moondowner 14y ago

Any screenshots?

dsarle 14y ago
There is also a hands-on preview here: http://www.arcticstartup.com/2012/11/21/jolla-comes-out-of-hiding-launches-sailfish http://www.arcticstartup.com/2012/11/21/jolla-comes-out-of-h...

MrBhoot 14y ago

I must say it is really an innovative and a usable UI concept. It seems that Jolla has all those MeeGo engineers from Nokia who developed the Swipe UI of N9. The pulley menu is a great conept. You slide the menu to make the selection. Nice touch. Another useful feature is the stuff you can operate on the "multitasked windows". I wonder though, how would the UI display more than 4 multitasked windows - displaying smaller icons or may be provide a horizontal navigation for 4+ windows. Definitely an OS worth waiting for. It would be awesome if I can deploy it on my N9!

Maakuth 14y ago
Deploying on N9 seems to be a real possibility. Currently they seem to be doing their development on N950, the qwerty-equipped sister model of N9 that never was brought to the market.
- TwoSheds 14y ago
  That's great news! Maybe I'll find some use for my N950 soon.