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Uhhh, wasn't April 1st like a month and a half ago? EDIT: Nevermind. Seems like this nonsense has been on their website since at least October 2018 (https://we

Uhhh, wasn't April 1st like a month and a half ago? EDIT: Nevermind. Seems like this nonsense has been on their website since at least October 2018 (https://web.archive.org/web/20181024184950/https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://web.archive.org/web/20181024184950/https://sqlite.or...). How off putting.

AussieWog93 5mo ago
I could not disagree with you harder but I don't think you should be downvoted for a negative reaction like this.
empthought 5mo ago
As the first section notes, the only reason they posted this is to fulfill a checklist requirement for certain commercial users. The external requirement for a code of conduct, which requesters never read and don’t actually care about, is the actual nonsense here.
- Defletter 5mo ago
  Hardly. It may be annoying for commercial users to require a checkboxy code of conduct from the software they choose to use, but taking that opportunity to shove religion down people's throats is very strange behaviour. It also makes me suspicious of SQLite: if they're that brazen, do I need to look out for potential implementations of these rules within the code? Will certain words, like "gay", cause queries to fail? I don't think so and I hope it never will. But this is a SQL database engine and they chose to publicly affiliate it with religion. That's concerning. I've been considering switching to H2 for a while now to avoid depending on a fat-jar full of binaries. This nonsense has persuaded me to make that switch.
  - empthought 5mo ago
    The source code is in the public domain. You can inspect it, fork it, and redistribute it as you like. Nothing is being shoved down anyone’s throat.
    - Defletter 5mo ago
      I'd rather just not use the thing than maintain a fork just to monitor for the influence of its official religion in its code.
      - empthought 5mo ago
        Good luck! It’s the most widely-deployed database software by far. I’m sure you have hundreds or thousands of SQLite files among devices you own. https://sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html https://sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html
        Defletter 5mo ago
        I think you have vastly mistaken what I'm saying. You seem to have leapt from me merely switching away using SQLite in my own projects, to me attempting to purge SQLite from every machine and piece of software I own or something? How odd. Even with their strange choice to give a SQL database engine an official religion, I'm under no illusion that they'd turn it into actual malware. The example concern I gave was about queries failing, not it rm-rfing my computer. Sheesh.
        empthought 5mo ago
        I don’t know, wouldn’t you be pissed if you tried to search your browser history for “gay” and nothing was found? After all, that’s the threat model you’re proposing that you’re worried about — the thinnest of excuses for your clear and deep bigotry.
        Defletter 5mo ago
        When I wrote my example, I was more thinking of database and table names, the schema itself, rather than cell content. There are already various limitations on such things, usually in the form of reserved prefixes. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that a piece of software that officially affiliates itself with a particular religion might infuse that religion within itself. In fact, I find it suspicious that you seem to disregard this possibility entirely. Most explicitly religious software does this. Instead, you attempt this weird switcheroo where I'm a bigot? Let's recap: a piece of software has officially affiliated itself with a religion that has made no secret of thinking we're evil and persecuting us for it for multiple millennia. I state that this is off putting and wish to switch to alternative software in my own projects. And you call me a bigot for it. Great job, Sherlock.

AussieWog93 5mo ago

I could not disagree with you harder but I don't think you should be downvoted for a negative reaction like this.

empthought 5mo ago

As the first section notes, the only reason they posted this is to fulfill a checklist requirement for certain commercial users. The external requirement for a code of conduct, which requesters never read and don’t actually care about, is the actual nonsense here.

Defletter 5mo ago
Hardly. It may be annoying for commercial users to require a checkboxy code of conduct from the software they choose to use, but taking that opportunity to shove religion down people's throats is very strange behaviour. It also makes me suspicious of SQLite: if they're that brazen, do I need to look out for potential implementations of these rules within the code? Will certain words, like "gay", cause queries to fail? I don't think so and I hope it never will. But this is a SQL database engine and they chose to publicly affiliate it with religion. That's concerning. I've been considering switching to H2 for a while now to avoid depending on a fat-jar full of binaries. This nonsense has persuaded me to make that switch.
- empthought 5mo ago
  The source code is in the public domain. You can inspect it, fork it, and redistribute it as you like. Nothing is being shoved down anyone’s throat.
  - Defletter 5mo ago
    I'd rather just not use the thing than maintain a fork just to monitor for the influence of its official religion in its code.
    - empthought 5mo ago
      Good luck! It’s the most widely-deployed database software by far. I’m sure you have hundreds or thousands of SQLite files among devices you own. https://sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html https://sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html
      - Defletter 5mo ago
        I think you have vastly mistaken what I'm saying. You seem to have leapt from me merely switching away using SQLite in my own projects, to me attempting to purge SQLite from every machine and piece of software I own or something? How odd. Even with their strange choice to give a SQL database engine an official religion, I'm under no illusion that they'd turn it into actual malware. The example concern I gave was about queries failing, not it rm-rfing my computer. Sheesh.
        empthought 5mo ago
        I don’t know, wouldn’t you be pissed if you tried to search your browser history for “gay” and nothing was found? After all, that’s the threat model you’re proposing that you’re worried about — the thinnest of excuses for your clear and deep bigotry.
        Defletter 5mo ago
        When I wrote my example, I was more thinking of database and table names, the schema itself, rather than cell content. There are already various limitations on such things, usually in the form of reserved prefixes. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that a piece of software that officially affiliates itself with a particular religion might infuse that religion within itself. In fact, I find it suspicious that you seem to disregard this possibility entirely. Most explicitly religious software does this. Instead, you attempt this weird switcheroo where I'm a bigot? Let's recap: a piece of software has officially affiliated itself with a religion that has made no secret of thinking we're evil and persecuting us for it for multiple millennia. I state that this is off putting and wish to switch to alternative software in my own projects. And you call me a bigot for it. Great job, Sherlock.