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This is why you owe nothing to your employer, record revenue with management bonus, and layoffs for those that helped get there. Those extra hours? Only if the

by pjmlp 6mo ago

This is why you owe nothing to your employer, record revenue with management bonus, and layoffs for those that helped get there. Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them. Naturally this tends to be something only seniors see, thus ageism.

Scroll_Swe 6mo ago
>Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them. ? I started a new job a year ago. Overtime pay in contract. I gladly work and report overtime as I get paid way more :) BUT there has to be a real reason, such as deadline, alarm/alert and such. You people are just lost. But I am in Sweden with a union job hehehe
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  Same here, some of your southern neighbours also have unions on IT, as a union in general covers specific industries, regardless of what job each person does in the building. As a tip for others as well, even without an union it helps to be aware of the country labour laws even if superficially.
- dinkumthinkum 6mo ago
  Yeah, but compare the salaries to the US and then factor in taxes.
  - pjmlp 6mo ago
    And healthcare, public transport, vacations, sick leave, maternity and paternity leave, layoff notice, layoff package, .... Personally the salary isn't worth it.
    - dinkumthinkum 6mo ago
      Most tech companies give paternity/maternity leave. There is the WARN act and most companies provide severance. Are the packages always great? No, but I don't think equivalent in Europe are that much better. Public transport? That's your preference and lifestyle, I don't think that factors in here. Most tech companies provide decent insurance and don't require being part of some socialized wait-list system. And the salaries are quite a bit higher and without the Byzantine level of taxes. I think you might want to analyze it a little more.
  - acdha 6mo ago
    Do this comparison both ways and factor in what you pay in addition for American high-stress/low-quality healthcare, college, retirement, etc. If you’re on the higher-end of the SV tech salaries, you’ll probably still come out ahead but for everyone else even Denmark tends to be cheaper.

by pjmlp 6mo ago

Scroll_Swe 6mo ago

>Those extra hours? Only if the team really needs them. ? I started a new job a year ago. Overtime pay in contract. I gladly work and report overtime as I get paid way more :) BUT there has to be a real reason, such as deadline, alarm/alert and such. You people are just lost. But I am in Sweden with a union job hehehe

pjmlp 6mo ago
Same here, some of your southern neighbours also have unions on IT, as a union in general covers specific industries, regardless of what job each person does in the building. As a tip for others as well, even without an union it helps to be aware of the country labour laws even if superficially.
dinkumthinkum 6mo ago
Yeah, but compare the salaries to the US and then factor in taxes.
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  And healthcare, public transport, vacations, sick leave, maternity and paternity leave, layoff notice, layoff package, .... Personally the salary isn't worth it.
  - dinkumthinkum 6mo ago
    Most tech companies give paternity/maternity leave. There is the WARN act and most companies provide severance. Are the packages always great? No, but I don't think equivalent in Europe are that much better. Public transport? That's your preference and lifestyle, I don't think that factors in here. Most tech companies provide decent insurance and don't require being part of some socialized wait-list system. And the salaries are quite a bit higher and without the Byzantine level of taxes. I think you might want to analyze it a little more.
- acdha 6mo ago
  Do this comparison both ways and factor in what you pay in addition for American high-stress/low-quality healthcare, college, retirement, etc. If you’re on the higher-end of the SV tech salaries, you’ll probably still come out ahead but for everyone else even Denmark tends to be cheaper.