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we were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ. the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming t
by spike021 5mo ago
we were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ.
the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming transfers and new hires.
i'll never forget some irony in that one of the engineering leaders brought us together for a mini townhall once and praised our "diversity" but by then the percentage of people in the room were basically the same as you described, including said leader. even our twice a week catered lunches were almost always indian.
just an interesting experience being part of cisco for a couple of years.
- shell0x 5mo ago[flagged]
- mavelikara 5mo agoPolydactyly can be treated surgically! /s Jokes aside, if in 15 years you have worked with only few good Indian engineers, you probably have not yet worked at places with high talent density. I could understand if you had said you have (a) worked with many low quality engineers from India, or (b) worked with far more low quality engineers from India than high quality ones. But if, in absolute numbers, you haven't come across many good engineers from India, I can only infer than you probably haven't worked with very good engineers across the board.
- truncate 5mo agoOr maybe you just aren't that good of an engineer (or whatever profession you are into) and find the easiest group to blame on your failures. I found that people who often are quick to judge and group of people in one bucket based on their color/ethnicity/gender/... are often not that bright people and like to focus on directing it on others. Somewhat like MAGA.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago[flagged]
- tdeck 5mo ago> Indians hire only Indians. I've worked for Indian managers several times and they all hired non-Indian people.
- siren2026 5mo agoI think both can be true. I have seen teams that are 100% Indians with a manager actively pushing Indian resumes and friends/family on top. They don’t play nice and by the DEI rules like a lot of Americans do. But I have also seen amazing Indian managers that don’t act like this. It’s ok to acknowledge that culturally Indians will favor themselves heavily. As bad as some of you want to make it sound like racism to close that conversation at all cost.
- sometimes_all 5mo agoWay to paint with a really broad brush...
- Scroll_Swe 5mo agoI use my real life experience to form my opinions, yes.
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- sometimes_all 5mo agoI'm sure you do. But your real life experience is not everyone else's real life experience, so there's no really need to make blanket statements about people.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo agoBlanket statement - western europe is where people want to live Wrong? Ok good, don't come here then.
- nixass 5mo ago> Somewhat like MAGA. Wow this escalated quickly. What OP is saying is not anecdotal but true to every major US tech company. You can cope all you want, won't make a difference
- keithxm23 5mo agoGotta love the covert racism here.
- jakeydus 5mo agoYes what the fuck is this entire thread
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago[flagged]
- OutOfHere 5mo agoIt's a half-truth because it totally ignores that it's not universal and people of other ethnicities do it too to their own.
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- boelboel 5mo agoWhere's the covert it's open racism
- ponector 5mo agoThe best thing in such companies like Cisco is discrimination by caste within Indian workers.
- i67vw3 5mo agoThe reason is basically that you are "required" to hire other "Indians". If you get a job at a good company on your own merit, you immediately start getting calls to "refer" your college friends, family, people from your region/state. Refer here means refer it to HR and make some "setting" that you are guranteed to be hired based on your "reference". Naturally reference would mean that considering you are an employee you would know about open positions and may refer the position to your friend, who would later on get the job on his own merit considering that he is skilled for the position along with required experience. But the case for Indian employees is that a reference entails to scam the company itself, by letting a less skilled person into the company by making a "setting" with HR etc, who may themselves be from the same region/state. And if you try to be morally upright person to deny such a scammy "reference", you would then get to listen verbal abuses from your friends and even from your own family members. To deny such a reference leads to straight up "banishment". Tip:- Among 100 Indians if you see, only 1 or 2 are actually good at their job (or by morality).
- cumshitpiss 5mo ago[dead]
- heggerd 5mo ago[flagged]
- hirako2000 5mo agoDiversity is the term to disguise cheaper labor. Call it women, ethnic minorities, trans, neuro divergent, on wheelchair, or those having criminal records. It's a brilliant slogan, not just because virtue signalling, but because it spawns cross cultural factions, all selfishly united to defend it. At no further brainwashing cost to you. You dare to attack it? You are out. Pack your stuff, and your shame. Consolation? It would at least provide opportunities to those who always suffered injustice. Yet many who claim their right to a seat don't bother with competence. It works, because the goal isn't more talents, we never lacked them: it's to pressure the overall labor cost.
- danw1979 5mo agoI can think of at least one fairly large “cultural faction” in the US that doesn’t like DEI
- hirako2000 5mo agoOne faction, whether we adhere to its other political views or not, hating DEI doesn't disprove the mechanism. The other factions still defend it selfishly. That's exactly why it holds.
- riedel 5mo agoThe way you can phrase it: you may jsut get people that are happy to do a good job for the pay they get. In many areas your typical white/cis/hetero/neurotypical male is not present, because you cannot get the maximum reward for their well-trained ego. I think diversity/pay is pretty munch confounded for plausible reasons.
- hirako2000 5mo agoThat's saying the white/cis/hetero male is absent because ego demands more reward. Exactly. Diversity fills that gap at lower cost. That's my point, or a counter? The scheme's motive is the overall effect. Lower wages. It doesn't care about white hetero, or black trans who happen to participate in paralympics.
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- carabiner 5mo agoI was a contractor at Cisco as the only non-indian in my group. But, I think the entire floor (100+ people) was Indian except for me. I'd always heard of "toxic work environments" but was pretty dismissive, until working at Cisco. I never knew people could bring high school bullying, manipulation into a supposed professional workplace.