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It's a pretty basic dopamine response, do something, hear something big happen, feel good. Real basic and, fairly universal. You may prefer a quieter car, but t

It's a pretty basic dopamine response, do something, hear something big happen, feel good. Real basic and, fairly universal. You may prefer a quieter car, but there is also a sound level that is below your preference. Your preference just happens to be different. You may prefer some other form of this concept. Maybe you like loud music. Maybe you like loud colors. Loud flavors. Maybe all of the above. That's fine, that's called a preference. The hostility comes from the perception that someone wants to take away your toy. Again, it's very very basic, the same thing you see if you try to take away an item from an animal that is engaged in a dopamine response with that item. Like a dog eating something. They will bite you or at least growl if you take it away.

appreciatorBus 5mo ago
> The hostility comes from the perception that someone wants to take away your toy. Again, it's very very basic, the same thing you see if you try to take away an item from an animal that is engaged in a dopamine response with that item. Like a dog eating something. They will bite you or at least growl if you take it away. Sure, but now replace “toy” with, “peaceful Neighbourhood” The only reason anyone wants to take someone’s dumb truck away is because they made the the first move, destroying or significantly degrading something that other people enjoyed.
- simulator5g 5mo ago
  Yes exactly! Replace toy with peaceful neighborhood. From each other's perspective, you both appear to have the same goals. How would you solve that without taking away someone else's peaceful neighborhood?
  - appreciatorBus 5mo ago
    I would say that if you want to drive loud fast cars, you’re welcome to do so, on a track intended for that purpose. Conversely, if you want to drive on public roads near children and where people live then you have to drive slow and quiet.
rixed 5mo ago
Real basic and, fairly universal. You may prefer a quieter car, but there is also a sound level that is below your preference. I do not believe this to be true. My feeling is: some people (or rather: some people in some occasions) enjoy to be noticed, and some others enjoy not to be noticed.
- autoexec 5mo ago
  Stealth mode might be occasionally useful, but personally, I want my car to be just loud enough that I can tell when it's running. I've used cars where I couldn't always tell and it sometimes resulted in stupid mistakes like leaving them running when I didn't mean to, or trying to start a car that was already running. It can also be helpful for people outside of the car to be able to hear when a car is approaching. I've never wanted a car to be louder than necessary for those reasons though and whatever noise it makes it shouldn't be annoying or intrusive.
  - simulator5g 5mo ago
    "Personally, I want my CPU to be just warm enough that I can tell its working. We should outlaw overclocking because of [insert some way that it bothers somebody]" This is just culture war for HN commenters. Everyone should grow up a little more.
- simulator5g 5mo ago
  You're interpreting this completely differently; I was referring to the idea of big feedback being a driving factor in any human action. Feedback doesn't have to come from another person noticing you. It can be as simple as, I did this, its very loud, that feels very good.
amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
I like loud music, but I have headphones and don't try to impose it on everybody else. There are probably tons of antisocial activities that promote a dopamine reponse, but most of us know better.
BobaFloutist 5mo ago
> but there is also a sound level that is below your preference. I would be thrilled with a silent car if it was safe and legal.
altairprime 5mo ago
My hearing is +20-30dB oversensitive, so for me it’s all just pain and suffering, which is why I live on a 25mph road rather than a 55mph road. What I’ve discovered is that there are two subsets of loud drivers: ones that are loud every time, and ones that are loud only when they’ve left the residential area. Harley drivers are a good example of this split, as they tend not to gas their engines loudly around residential zones. Dogs that tend to bite when denied their pleasures tend not to be welcome in prosocial human societies. One wishes drivers were more often held to the same standard.

appreciatorBus 5mo ago

> The hostility comes from the perception that someone wants to take away your toy. Again, it's very very basic, the same thing you see if you try to take away an item from an animal that is engaged in a dopamine response with that item. Like a dog eating something. They will bite you or at least growl if you take it away. Sure, but now replace “toy” with, “peaceful Neighbourhood” The only reason anyone wants to take someone’s dumb truck away is because they made the the first move, destroying or significantly degrading something that other people enjoyed.

simulator5g 5mo ago
Yes exactly! Replace toy with peaceful neighborhood. From each other's perspective, you both appear to have the same goals. How would you solve that without taking away someone else's peaceful neighborhood?
- appreciatorBus 5mo ago
  I would say that if you want to drive loud fast cars, you’re welcome to do so, on a track intended for that purpose. Conversely, if you want to drive on public roads near children and where people live then you have to drive slow and quiet.

rixed 5mo ago

Real basic and, fairly universal. You may prefer a quieter car, but there is also a sound level that is below your preference. I do not believe this to be true. My feeling is: some people (or rather: some people in some occasions) enjoy to be noticed, and some others enjoy not to be noticed.

autoexec 5mo ago
Stealth mode might be occasionally useful, but personally, I want my car to be just loud enough that I can tell when it's running. I've used cars where I couldn't always tell and it sometimes resulted in stupid mistakes like leaving them running when I didn't mean to, or trying to start a car that was already running. It can also be helpful for people outside of the car to be able to hear when a car is approaching. I've never wanted a car to be louder than necessary for those reasons though and whatever noise it makes it shouldn't be annoying or intrusive.
- simulator5g 5mo ago
  "Personally, I want my CPU to be just warm enough that I can tell its working. We should outlaw overclocking because of [insert some way that it bothers somebody]" This is just culture war for HN commenters. Everyone should grow up a little more.
simulator5g 5mo ago
You're interpreting this completely differently; I was referring to the idea of big feedback being a driving factor in any human action. Feedback doesn't have to come from another person noticing you. It can be as simple as, I did this, its very loud, that feels very good.

amanaplanacanal 5mo ago

I like loud music, but I have headphones and don't try to impose it on everybody else. There are probably tons of antisocial activities that promote a dopamine reponse, but most of us know better.

BobaFloutist 5mo ago

> but there is also a sound level that is below your preference. I would be thrilled with a silent car if it was safe and legal.

altairprime 5mo ago

My hearing is +20-30dB oversensitive, so for me it’s all just pain and suffering, which is why I live on a 25mph road rather than a 55mph road. What I’ve discovered is that there are two subsets of loud drivers: ones that are loud every time, and ones that are loud only when they’ve left the residential area. Harley drivers are a good example of this split, as they tend not to gas their engines loudly around residential zones. Dogs that tend to bite when denied their pleasures tend not to be welcome in prosocial human societies. One wishes drivers were more often held to the same standard.