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Cider (and p4/g4c etc) was amazing when I left back in 2020, I loved it so much, and truly miss it. I rejoined Google last year, and they'd replaced it with a V

Cider (and p4/g4c etc) was amazing when I left back in 2020, I loved it so much, and truly miss it. I rejoined Google last year, and they'd replaced it with a VSCode clone that truly was just a glorified text editor and most were all-in on mercurial as a piper/citc shim -- I was only there for 5 months before I decided not to stay, and I never managed to get Go type definition hints working.

aix1 5mo ago
Google has also been systematically destaffing various language infra teams. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-fires-entire-python-team-ahead-developer-conference-snpac https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-fires-entire-python-te... https://www.airs.com/blog/archives/670 https://www.airs.com/blog/archives/670 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Kythe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Kythe etc
- hanwenn 5mo ago
  That is not quite the right word. For Python, the headcount was moved from the Bay Area (the most expensive place in the world to hire software engineers) to Munich (the most expensive place in Germany to hire SWEs.), for cost saving reasons.
  - dotwaffle 5mo ago
    If you're the author of https://github.com/hanwen/go-fuse/ https://github.com/hanwen/go-fuse/ -- thank you :D
  - VirusNewbie 5mo ago
    The problem is most SWEs in Germany are not as good as most SWEs in the Bay Area. :(
    - jbstjohn 5mo ago
      Most of the engineers making most of the tools being praised in this thread are in Germany, so I don't think that generalization quite holds. Even if the best SWEs are better in the Bay area, there's also a lot more competition for them, so Google in Germany might be able to get top 1% there (and in neighboring countries) but Google in the Bay Area is probably having a tough time getting even top 10%.
      - VirusNewbie 5mo ago
        That's a good point, and why I'm happy to see remote offices pop up in many locations. The problem is the top .1% which can live anywhere, is often a poor representation of the depth of talent density.
krzyk 5mo ago
p4 makes me wake up at night screaming. Similar to that IBM/Rational ClearCase, both are so unfriendly compared to subversion/cvs or git/mercurial that I always struggle to believe why someone would torture themselves using that. Probably admins love them because they allow some tooling to be added.

aix1 5mo ago

Google has also been systematically destaffing various language infra teams. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-fires-entire-python-team-ahead-developer-conference-snpac https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-fires-entire-python-te... https://www.airs.com/blog/archives/670 https://www.airs.com/blog/archives/670 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Kythe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Kythe etc

hanwenn 5mo ago
That is not quite the right word. For Python, the headcount was moved from the Bay Area (the most expensive place in the world to hire software engineers) to Munich (the most expensive place in Germany to hire SWEs.), for cost saving reasons.
- dotwaffle 5mo ago
  If you're the author of https://github.com/hanwen/go-fuse/ https://github.com/hanwen/go-fuse/ -- thank you :D
- VirusNewbie 5mo ago
  The problem is most SWEs in Germany are not as good as most SWEs in the Bay Area. :(
  - jbstjohn 5mo ago
    Most of the engineers making most of the tools being praised in this thread are in Germany, so I don't think that generalization quite holds. Even if the best SWEs are better in the Bay area, there's also a lot more competition for them, so Google in Germany might be able to get top 1% there (and in neighboring countries) but Google in the Bay Area is probably having a tough time getting even top 10%.
    - VirusNewbie 5mo ago
      That's a good point, and why I'm happy to see remote offices pop up in many locations. The problem is the top .1% which can live anywhere, is often a poor representation of the depth of talent density.

krzyk 5mo ago

p4 makes me wake up at night screaming. Similar to that IBM/Rational ClearCase, both are so unfriendly compared to subversion/cvs or git/mercurial that I always struggle to believe why someone would torture themselves using that. Probably admins love them because they allow some tooling to be added.