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The thing that made these 'thoughts' different is that they felt real. I experienced hearing something in another language, I wasn't just thinking about it. Thi
by mercuryrising 14y ago
The thing that made these 'thoughts' different is that they felt real. I experienced hearing something in another language, I wasn't just thinking about it. This happens with music, and every once in a while I'll hear my name. They aren't just thoughts, they are experiences.
I don't think someone was invading my mind, I think I was detuning my brain and tuning into something else, a 'sea' of thought. I think they aren't my own because I can't consciously think those thoughts, I cannot simulate what happened just by thinking about it.
I think we have more control over the world than we give ourselves credit for. It's easy to cast off stories that are not backed by fact, but what if this was the divide? What if we just needed a little bit of faith to see something that most people can't see? What does a kid see when they play in a box? They see whatever they want to see, they are not tied down by what society deems as real, they create reality for themselves.
For a while, I had a spurt of thinking about some new tech idea and seeing it within a week of thinking about it. It was almost like I was forging the path through the sea of unknown information around me. I don't have enough experience in the world to determine whether or not my thinking had influence on what happened, but it provides an interesting framework for some thought. What if you could control the world, and you were the center of the 'relative universe'? Quantum mechanics predicts that prior to the first consciousness observed a wave function collapse, the world could have not existed, it was merely a fuzzy combination of wave functions that never had definition. What if this was happening every time I did something, interacted with something, noticed something. What if, when I thought about something, it collapsed the wave functions necessary to bring me that information? What if I controlled the world, and whenever I reached in to grab information, the necessary wave functions collapsed (regardless of where they had to). What if we could have multiple layers of collapsing wave functions, so you can live your life, I can live my life, and until we communicate, we lose the necessity of having the same time or space clocks? What if the world reconciles the differences when necessary, rather than all the time?
It's easy to get sidetracked when I'm thinking.
At what point do I call a thought my own? I'm not sure, I'm not even sure if ideas are my own thoughts. My thoughts are the ones where I can follow the train of logic that got me to where I am now. An idea is a lightning bolt. To backtrack where an idea came from, generally all I get is a couple inputs, a big jump in logic, and a conclusion. you can say what inputs were necessary, but that doesn't always get you to the output. I call these 'prime ideas', these are the good ones that cannot be assembled from combining (in some way, shape, or form) previous ideas. Prime ideas are ones that don't feel like they come from me, I wasn't thinking about anything, I was cleaning the kitchen when a lightning bolt in idea space struck my brain. Those don't feel like something I made, they feel like something that was given to me, like someone saying "Here, look at this picture" and I see something cool in my brain.
- robbiep 14y agoI get where you're coming from, but I firmly, although respectively, disagree. >The thing that made these 'thoughts' different is that they felt real. I experienced hearing something in another language, - So do schizophrenics. That doesn't make their experiences any more concrete. >What if we just needed a little bit of faith to see something that most people can't see? What does a kid see when they play in a box? - Faith in things is important - probably intrinsic to our existence. It gives us things to aim for, to believe in. Systems of rationalisation. But believing something that is not possible will not make it so. Kids are playing. Daydreaming. creating possibilities. You can do that when you're grown up too. I daydream all the time. But that reality doesn't exist outside of the story, the fantasy in the head of the creator. It could be argued that the greatest inventors and innovators (not to mention story tellers and artists) are able to mobilise their vision and dream into reality through faith. But there are still lots of things that can't, won't, exist. >For a while, I had a spurt of thinking about some new tech idea and seeing it within a week of thinking about it - This is a relatively well known phenomenon. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery - It has happened throughout history. I have personally felt this a number of times - that I have come up with an idea independently - and then you see the idea out in the wild. On closer reflection I realise that I was more likely influenced by my extensive readings and my day-dreaming to make links between existing technologies, discoveries and inventions; formulate and write up an idea - but these ideas are in the 'potential space' of possible ideas and concepts; and someone was more on the cutting edge than me; and did it better and faster. >What if you could control the world, and you were the center of the 'relative universe'? - interesting, and i've had similar thoughts. Forever unprovable however; and the idea of us each controlling a 'relative universe' I think on some level is true - i.e. we can do amazing things if we just set our minds to them and rise above apathy and entropy; but on another; we still exist as part of the universe, which has universal rules. we are the universe experiencing itself; there is so much we don't know; keeping an open mind is important; so is dismissing things that are not the truth; the hard part is filtering the wheat from the chaff.