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> At 4:59 pm, he asked an AI tool, “How do i clear system logs from SQL servers after deleting databases?” He later asked, “How do you clear all event and appli
by game_the0ry 5mo ago
> At 4:59 pm, he asked an AI tool, “How do i clear system logs from SQL servers after deleting databases?” He later asked, “How do you clear all event and application logs from Microsoft windows server 2012?”
So many red flags, I can't even.
- lostlogin 5mo agoReady access to AI tools sure makes vandalism easy.
- game_the0ry 5mo agoAi is just a tool. You can kill with hammer, doesn't mean you ban hammers. And they could have used stack overflow instead of ai.
- collingreen 5mo agoMy god, they didn't say ban ai they said it makes vandalism easy. No need to knee jerk react to an argument that hasn't been made.
- fc417fc802 5mo agoIt's not knee jerk to respond to an obvious contextual implication.
- lostlogin 5mo agoAbsolutely wasn’t where I was going with that. I was sort of admiring the devastation a malignant actor can cause with a good tool. It’s usually used for morally neutral neutral or good work.
- fc417fc802 5mo agoFair enough. I guess an LLM in an IT administration role could be aptly compared to a bulldozer.
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- fugalfervor 5mo agoYou are the first person in this conversation to mention banning. I am not sure what your comment has to do with anything.
- xethos 5mo agoThe tools we use are not neutral. A sword can be made to work like an axe, but we use axes for chopping wood because a sword makes a shitty axe. A sword is designed to kill people. The handle, the mass, the weight distribution, and every other aspect I am not qualified to get in to, means swords are designed to kill. They are a tool, and their use is not neutral. This is a clear example, but I don't believe any tools are neutral. Your immediate fallback was to a hammer, not a mouse, with the obvious corrollary being to bludgeon, but the same line applies. Tools are not neutral, and that's why when you looked for something that causes harm, you grabbed something that's objectively been serving a dual-purpose for hundreds of years. Nobody's using a computer mouse to bludgeon someone to death; it makes a shitty bludgeon, and the design of the tool reflects that. That's also why these comparisons always fall back to knives, or hammers, or the AK-47: they are dangerous tools that are designed to make killing easier. Nobody is making these comparisons to more benign tools, like desk lamps, coffee cups, or car stereos, and it's because tools are not neutral, and none of my examples are designed to make direct, bodily harm, easier.
- r3trohack3r 5mo agoMurder by computer keyboard: https://www.deseret.com/1997/7/6/19322063/mother-charged-with-murder-after-son-is-hit-with-keyboard/ https://www.deseret.com/1997/7/6/19322063/mother-charged-wit... Murder by ethernet cable: https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/dead-woman-found-in-park-was-strangled-with-ethernet-cable https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/dead-woman-found-in-pa... Murder by laptop: https://www.riverfronttimes.com/william-lynn-gunter-sentenced-to-30-years-for-murder-of-wife-suzanne/ https://www.riverfronttimes.com/william-lynn-gunter-sentence... Murder by cellphone charger: https://lawandcrime.com/crime/pennsylvania-man-admits-to-strangling-pregnant-girlfriend-with-cellphone-charger-cord-in-fit-of-rage/ https://lawandcrime.com/crime/pennsylvania-man-admits-to-str... Murder by desk lamp: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/2009/01/08/man-beaten-to-death-in-monte-rio-idd-robert-guess-domestic-partner-of-suspect-police-say-lamp-is-murder-weapon/ https://www.pressdemocrat.com/2009/01/08/man-beaten-to-death... Stabbing by coffee mug: https://www.muscalaw.com/blog/north-port-two-women-attack-coffee-mug https://www.muscalaw.com/blog/north-port-two-women-attack-co...
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- latexr 5mo agoThat’s a non-sequitur. You don’t need to defend AI, your parent comment isn’t attacking it, simply making an observation. > doesn't mean you ban hammers They didn’t suggest banning anything. > You can kill with hammer Not if you don’t have a hammer available. Which is the point. Ready access to a tool makes misusing the tool easy. And some tools are more conductive to misuse than others. You can kill maybe a couple of people in a crowd with a hammer, a few more with a handgun, a ton more with a machine gun or a bomb. The tool itself matters, and you should regulate each accordingly to their capacity and likelihood of harm. For example, plenty of countries restrict gun use significantly more than the US. Those countries have much fewer gun-related deaths and violence. This isn’t (shouldn’t be, in an honest discussion) hard to understand.
- fn-mote 5mo agoThis vandalism is a joke. You could find the method in an XKCD comic. The fact that they didn't already know how to do it is the crazy part.
- BoneShard 5mo agoA tool which is supposed to supercharge you - supercharges you.
- darkwater 5mo agoYep, Windows Server 2012 being a big one :o
- jiggawatts 5mo agoI love how this leaks out the fact that the DHS is running production databases on operating systems that are months away from end of extended support. Windows Server has 5 years of mainstream support, 5 years of extended support, and then an extra 3 years paid Extended Security Updates (ESU) support. For 2012 and 2012 R2 that ends in October 2026. The three years of ESU exists only for organisations like government departments that would rather pay Microsoft millions of dollars for patches than pay a competitive wage and hire competent IT staff that can complete upgrade projects on time.
- harrisi 5mo agoIt can be quite politically valuable to kick the can to the next administration.
- jiggawatts 5mo agoThe day-to-day operation of large government bureaucracies is surprisingly immune to elections. The same people stay in the same job for decades, the "churn" only happens at the highest levels, and even those positions tend to outlast changes in the current political party in charge.
- bozhark 5mo agoDid you not see what happened in the last year to federal workers?
- jiggawatts 5mo agoThis problem has been "cooking" for 12.5 years, not 1.
- harrisi 5mo agoYou're off by an order of magnitude, sadly.
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- plagiarist 5mo agoThey forgot a > "How do I clear chat logs from LLM?" I guess?
- t0mas88 5mo ago> In the space of a single hour, Muneeb deleted around 96 databases with US government information. He downloaded 1,805 files belonging to the EEOC and stashed them on a USB drive, then grabbed federal tax information for at least 450 people. Maybe whoever runs infosec at that place should also be fired?
- oliyoung 5mo agoBrave of you to assume they had anyone running infosec by the sounds of it
- IAmBroom 5mo agoElon's brother's landscaper's nephew's girlfriend was sacked along with Elon, so nobody was filling that role in the government. Which MAGAts applaud. Emptying the swamp!
- pjc50 5mo agoWasn't that .. these guys themselves?
- insane_dreamer 5mo ago> So many red flags starting with Windows Server _2012_ :O
- kaycey2022 5mo agoThose are not red flags. Those are the actual thing. I think red flag is a heuristic that warns you about a course of action.