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Have to wait for the next Snowden before you get any citations. NSA collaborator or not, the mere existence of something like Cloudflare, which also tries to n

Have to wait for the next Snowden before you get any citations. NSA collaborator or not, the mere existence of something like Cloudflare, which also tries to nudge you into skipping internal http/tls and just use that at the front, makes it highly likely that NSA is already deep in their infrastructure, just like they've been in the past for literally any big technology company in the US. But yeah, zero citations, zero evidence, just based on history and what the goal of the organization is, it's pretty clear what's going on already.

nozzlegear 6mo ago
So just conjecture and speculation, then.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  Yes, just like expecting the sun to also rise tomorrow is mostly conjecture and speculation since we cannot see into the future, yet.
  - cindyllm 6mo ago
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  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    This is just categorically different and epistemically dishonest. It is, frankly, an embarrassing attempt to defend the fact that you don't actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond "believe me bro, ever heard of PRISM?"
    - LtWorf 6mo ago
      After the snowden revelations, believing otherwise is beyond faith.
    - embedding-shape 6mo ago
      > actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond I never claimed so, never would either, so who's being dishonest now? What I've said is that NSA compromises everything they can get their hands on (lots of evidence of this), assuming that Cloudflare aren't compromised by NSA already would be foolish, but you're right, this is an assumption on my part, I won't claim I have proof of this, just like I don't have proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, but I do assume so too.
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chrisweekly 6mo ago
Ok, that makes sense. "Likely, based on heuristics" is sufficient to inform your opinions and decisions about Cloudflare. I was hoping you might have something more concrete, but appreciate the thoughtful reply. Tangent: I found your blog in your profile and liked your post on "Good Taste"^1 1. https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/ https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/

nozzlegear 6mo ago

So just conjecture and speculation, then.

embedding-shape 6mo ago
Yes, just like expecting the sun to also rise tomorrow is mostly conjecture and speculation since we cannot see into the future, yet.
- cindyllm 6mo ago
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- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  This is just categorically different and epistemically dishonest. It is, frankly, an embarrassing attempt to defend the fact that you don't actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond "believe me bro, ever heard of PRISM?"
  - LtWorf 6mo ago
    After the snowden revelations, believing otherwise is beyond faith.
  - embedding-shape 6mo ago
    > actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond I never claimed so, never would either, so who's being dishonest now? What I've said is that NSA compromises everything they can get their hands on (lots of evidence of this), assuming that Cloudflare aren't compromised by NSA already would be foolish, but you're right, this is an assumption on my part, I won't claim I have proof of this, just like I don't have proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, but I do assume so too.
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chrisweekly 6mo ago

Ok, that makes sense. "Likely, based on heuristics" is sufficient to inform your opinions and decisions about Cloudflare. I was hoping you might have something more concrete, but appreciate the thoughtful reply. Tangent: I found your blog in your profile and liked your post on "Good Taste"^1 1. https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/ https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/