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I see the vision here, which the top commenters (sorry, couldn't read all of them) seems to miss. This should be a moonshot bet on the next generation of user e
by reisse 5mo ago
I see the vision here, which the top commenters (sorry, couldn't read all of them) seems to miss. This should be a moonshot bet on the next generation of user experience. People are complaining about apps, but the idea here should be to make apps irrelevant as a concept. You don't need "apps", you need data feedable to LLM and a visualization toolkit for presenting results. And maybe some tools to manually wrangle the data when precise manipulation is required.
On paper, this sounds amazing. Like "out of sci-fi books" amazing. The caveat, though? I very much doubt Google has the capacity to execute this properly. And we'll get another half-baked attempt at reskinning Chromium and/or Android.
- yuppiepuppie 5mo ago> You don't need "apps", you need data feedable to LLM and a visualization toolkit for presenting results. Unless Im missing something, how do you capture this data? It needs to be some sort of UI friendly method, as I dont see my mom chatting with an LLM all day about her dog's location (via GPS) or my dad counting calories through ChatGPT.
- rchaud 5mo agoIt'll probably require access to your contacts, call history, messages, geolocation and browsing information at all times. Maybe even a Microsoft Recall-style data suck where it takes periodic screenshots of your activity and ingests it into its knowledgebase.
- rkozik1989 5mo agoYou forgot the part where average consumers kind of hate AI and won't buy this or use that feature because of its AI.
- ulimn 5mo agoI'm not sure about that. The "normies" around me love AI. My mother and mother-in-law drive me crazy when I ask for advice and they copy the answer directly from ChatGPT. Not to mention the stupid images generated by AI.
- MattRix 5mo agoIn my experience, old normies love AI, young normies do not.
- mywittyname 5mo agoMy parents hate AI, as do my nieces and nephews. It's not an age thing. It seems to be an experience thing. If AI is perceived to have ruined something you like, or otherwise negatively impacted your life, you're going to hate it.
- 10729287 5mo agoThe conclusion here is that we’re all someone else’s normie I guess.
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- LastTrain 5mo agoI’m not sure what you mean by “normies” - non technical people? I don’t know a single person who /loves/ AI. I know some that speculate about potential benefits. I know some that use it begrudgingly. Some that have some anecdotes of it being useful but mostly couched in dread. Almost universal is the feeling that it is being forced on them in ways they do not want. Who loves it?
- remus 5mo agoI think it is hard to generalise like this. There's a lot of people in the world and we each only know a very small slice of them. I happen to know several people who love AI, I don't feel like have a good grasp of the where the overall sentiment is.
- tim333 5mo agoThere's stuff I think if cool but is not really regarded as AI any more like language translation and I find the google lens thing in Chrome very handy - does ocr, finds stuff in images etc. Maybe people will like more the stuff that doesn't get called AI but just does useful things?
- fortyseven 5mo agoI think once the hype dies down, and things start to normalize, the hate will fade into the background. Instead of "AI", we'll just get "apps with features" again.
- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoThe average Redditor that performatively hates AI sure. But outside of the chronically online bubble, the average person, in my experience, does not hate AI
- NoGravitas 5mo agoSurveys show otherwise. As does the viral video of that lady giving the AI-booster commencement speech and getting booed.
- dymk 5mo agoHow confident are you that those surveys portray the “average” person? ChatGPT was the fastest adopted app… ever.
- albedoa 5mo ago[flagged]
- dymk 5mo agowhat surveys
- u_fucking_dork 5mo agoWhy? I clearly presented my comment as a personal opinion. These are formed based on my personal experiences among my friends and family, and at work. At work Claude Desktop is overwhelmingly popular, people love it. Even our internal chatgpt + RAG clone is used by over 90% of desk workers monthly and has a great net promoter score. The only place is see all the AI hate and backlash is on social media and discord. You, on the other hand, are vaguely alluding to “surveys” with no context or detail. How many? How rigorous? Who did them? Why no links?
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- jorl17 5mo agoMy average tech friend kind of hates AI. My average "non-tech" friend or acquaintance? Absolutely loves it and is using it daily. So, not my experience AT ALL.
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- vovavili 5mo agoI would be curious to see how OpenAI or Anthropic would implement this vision without the inertia of a ~200,000 person company and with all the enormous brain gain these two companies now have. A Linux-based, LLM-native phone/laptop hybrid is pretty close to being my personal dream consumer device.
- benoau 5mo agoThere are rumours OpenAI is making a smartphone - https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/27/openai-could-be-making-a-phone-with-ai-agents-replacing-apps/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/27/openai-could-be-making-a-p...
- kspacewalk2 5mo agoCan I somehow strip out the LLM-native part and just have a polished Linux-based mobile device, without someone trying to control what I run on it? Because that would be my personal dream.
- vovavili 5mo agoI'd imagine that there would be little financial incentive to spend millions on UX/UI and polish for this kind of device without an LLM capacity.
- kspacewalk2 5mo agoI'm okay with capacity, and turning it on by default. I just want the ability to chuck it in the trash can if I want to, and use my device without unremovable apps and features.
- vovavili 5mo agoThe Zed approach indeed is the only consumer-friendly way.
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- jmye 5mo ago> The caveat, though? I very much doubt Google has the capacity to execute this properly. I don't think it's a capacity issue, it's that their whole entire business is advertising and acquiring the user data to feed it. I don't see any reason they would want to execute on this in a way that is meaningfully beneficial for users. I suppose, my own caveats for some of the responses suggesting people like being advertised to.
- isityettime 5mo agoI can't get Gemini to not cut me off mid-sentence and reply to only half of what I wanted to say. It doesn't reliably integrate with Google Maps. I can't trust it for basic shopping tasks because it doesn't reliably evaluate stated criteria. I can't even ask it if a specific web store has a specific item in stock and trust the answer. Google hasn't gotten the bare-ass basics right. They're not about to "make apps irrelevant as a concept". > [W]e'll get another half-baked attempt at reskinning Chromium and/or Android. 100%!
- joemazerino 5mo agoThis product is exactly how Google improves Gemini. For better or worse (I'd argue worse) Google will be putting these devices in classrooms and everywhere else to train Gemini.
- nobrains 5mo agoMy take is related but different. I believe that Google believes the customer's for these "premium" Googlebooks are the kids who used Chromebooks all their school years, and are now graduating school, getting into university, or getting into their first job. Google is presenting them an option, that feels familiar, but is also premium. The next level. The big-boy upgrade. Familiar but Better.
- rchaud 5mo agoExcept that Chromebooks are widely reviled as cheap, laggy garbage plus a negative mental association with tedious schoolwork. If anyone buys one, it'll be in spite of the brand association.
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- ajross 5mo ago> I can't get Gemini to not cut me off mid-sentence and reply to only half of what I wanted to say. This kind of criticism is unpersuasive: "USENET and ftp are fine! Why do I need this monster 'mosaic' thing which needs 8MB of core just to try to see some buggy 'dynamic page' someone threw together where the server is always down anyway!" New technology is incomplete, rushed to market, inconsistently reliable and rapidly improving. News at 11! That doesn't mean Googlebook is going to take over the world. But no, you don't get to live in 2019 forever either.
- trizoza 5mo ago+1 on having little hope Google can pull this one up well. Recently my Android auto updated to use Gemini instead of their legacy voice command, which already sucked, and it got significantly worse, it's trying to play songs on Audible and Libro.fm at random, while I even have Spotify running. And I'm on Pixel 10 Pro! When asking to play a soundtrack of a movie, it starts to play random cover instead of the official thing, just no idea how it can be so bad.
- prepend 5mo ago> On paper, this sounds amazing. Like "out of sci-fi books" amazing. How does this sound amazing? What about the specs amaze you? This seems like every laptop currently made with a browser open to chatgpt/claude/gemini. How much does this cost? What’s the local compute? Isn’t the best AI laptop just a $600 Neo? I’m not sure how this is superior and I just read a whole web page about it.
- 22ekeke 5mo agoImagine writing with such confidence about a thing that is akin to google Glass - DOA.
- spandrew 5mo agoThis is not correct. People trust their "apps". They know Spotify's algo can feed them novel music. They know Kobo's reader connects to libraries in a way that isn't the DRM-lockin that Amazon shovels. Most non-tech folks are incredibly skeptical about AI due to the piss-poor brand management of OpenAI and Anthropic—pushing an AGI Skynet post-employment narrative to make the tech feel bigger than it is. I trust Google (and certainly Apple) to figure some of this stuff out—but nobody wants an LLM, that nobody knows how it operates, to run the show entirely. Heuristically, we may get away with a Human-on-the-loop approach—-not a Human-in-the-loop or Out-of-the-loop approach.
- stronglikedan 5mo ago> They know Spotify's algo can feed them novel music. lol, hardly!
- cloverich 5mo agoIMO the right next step, which Apple will get to slowly, is better Siri and better app intents. No apps reminds me a bit of the no folders, use search for everything and organize nothing, approach. To me it falls flat because structure - which apps provide - acts as context, memory, mental glue. Heck even changing the layout of apps on my home screen alters what i engage with, and remember to do. Now generating apps will be game changer. But i dont think it means apps go away. I think we just get better apps, and more open apis (for llms to use).
- mrhottakes 5mo agoMaybe that's what you want, but why is your preference what "people" "need"?
- rtgfhyuj 5mo agoproduct dependent on LLM what could go wrong? a sucker born every minute
- nfw2 5mo agoIt seems to me like most of the predictions that the interface of the future will entirely be agents on top of systems of record are coming from people who never considered hci as a serious field. You can't predict something that exists is going to go away (eg apps designed around to guide specific user journeys) without first understanding the reasons they exist in the first place