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> This website has been temporarily rate limited Feels a bit ironic... though this website is hosted on Cloudflare Workers so using an American company anyway?

by vipshek 6mo ago

Winblows11 6mo ago
Cloudflare = NSA creation to get around HTTPS
- chrisweekly 6mo ago
  citation?
  - embedding-shape 6mo ago
    Have to wait for the next Snowden before you get any citations. NSA collaborator or not, the mere existence of something like Cloudflare, which also tries to nudge you into skipping internal http/tls and just use that at the front, makes it highly likely that NSA is already deep in their infrastructure, just like they've been in the past for literally any big technology company in the US. But yeah, zero citations, zero evidence, just based on history and what the goal of the organization is, it's pretty clear what's going on already.
    - nozzlegear 6mo ago
      So just conjecture and speculation, then.
      - embedding-shape 6mo ago
        Yes, just like expecting the sun to also rise tomorrow is mostly conjecture and speculation since we cannot see into the future, yet.
        cindyllm 6mo ago
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        nozzlegear 6mo ago
        This is just categorically different and epistemically dishonest. It is, frankly, an embarrassing attempt to defend the fact that you don't actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond "believe me bro, ever heard of PRISM?"
        LtWorf 6mo ago
        After the snowden revelations, believing otherwise is beyond faith.
        embedding-shape 6mo ago
        > actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond I never claimed so, never would either, so who's being dishonest now? What I've said is that NSA compromises everything they can get their hands on (lots of evidence of this), assuming that Cloudflare aren't compromised by NSA already would be foolish, but you're right, this is an assumption on my part, I won't claim I have proof of this, just like I don't have proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, but I do assume so too.
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    - chrisweekly 6mo ago
      Ok, that makes sense. "Likely, based on heuristics" is sufficient to inform your opinions and decisions about Cloudflare. I was hoping you might have something more concrete, but appreciate the thoughtful reply. Tangent: I found your blog in your profile and liked your post on "Good Taste"^1 1. https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/ https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/
  - philipwhiuk 6mo ago
    Why would they not when they have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
  - deleted 6mo ago
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- iso1631 6mo ago
  I think it's more likely they just use/abuse it than specifically created it, same as things like google spyware. The NSA's desires and the ad industry are aligned, so its a match made in heaven.
monokai_nl 6mo ago
Well this is nice. Apparently I reached some limits (thanks all), and had to pay Cloudflare more. Fair I guess, although some warning would've been nice. Tried multiple payment options multiple times just now and Cloudflare botched every time without giving me an error message. Finally managed to get it through on the 10th time. Please be gentle now :/
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  That sucks... Bunny CDN served me and others great when it comes to a Cloudflare alternative, if you're looking for an alternative. I understand the pragmatism with going with CF, but I'd lie if I didn't also say using CF as the front for your entire "European Digital Stack" kind of makes the blog-post feel less authentic compared to my initial impression, because of that.
- devsda 6mo ago
  I want point out the other aspect of that decision to use cloudflare because the content is already public. If your users are in a sanctioned region or a sanctioned entity it is entirely possible for cloudflare to deny serving them traffic. In a way your website users are still bound to the US policies even if you or your country doesnt approve of those sanctions.
- NietTim 6mo ago
  Oh that's "funny". Where I work we used to pay for cloudflare, then the credit card expired and we didn't notice in time (our bad, for sure), now our account still works fine, just no premium features and all tickets we've made in order to _resume paying them_ have gone unanswered. Big shrug
- sixhobbits 6mo ago
  fwiw I've had my site on front page hn a couple of times. It is a completely unoptimized hetzner server running nginx and serving HTML. computers are _fast_ these days, you're more likely to have an outage from cloudflare than by just skipping it IMO (for basic personal sites, like yours seems to be)
s_dev 6mo ago
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ktm5j 6mo ago
If ya read the article it lists cloudflare as one of the exceptions ;P
brendanml 6mo ago
Yea I agree

> This website has been temporarily rate limited Feels a bit ironic... though this website is hosted on Cloudflare Workers so using an American company anyway?

by vipshek 6mo ago

> This website has been temporarily rate limited Feels a bit ironic... though this website is hosted on Cloudflare Workers so using an American company anyway?

Winblows11 6mo ago

Cloudflare = NSA creation to get around HTTPS

chrisweekly 6mo ago
citation?
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  Have to wait for the next Snowden before you get any citations. NSA collaborator or not, the mere existence of something like Cloudflare, which also tries to nudge you into skipping internal http/tls and just use that at the front, makes it highly likely that NSA is already deep in their infrastructure, just like they've been in the past for literally any big technology company in the US. But yeah, zero citations, zero evidence, just based on history and what the goal of the organization is, it's pretty clear what's going on already.
  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    So just conjecture and speculation, then.
    - embedding-shape 6mo ago
      Yes, just like expecting the sun to also rise tomorrow is mostly conjecture and speculation since we cannot see into the future, yet.
      - cindyllm 6mo ago
        [dead]
      - nozzlegear 6mo ago
        This is just categorically different and epistemically dishonest. It is, frankly, an embarrassing attempt to defend the fact that you don't actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond "believe me bro, ever heard of PRISM?"
        LtWorf 6mo ago
        After the snowden revelations, believing otherwise is beyond faith.
        embedding-shape 6mo ago
        > actually have any evidence to support the claim that Cloudflare is supposedly an NSA creation beyond I never claimed so, never would either, so who's being dishonest now? What I've said is that NSA compromises everything they can get their hands on (lots of evidence of this), assuming that Cloudflare aren't compromised by NSA already would be foolish, but you're right, this is an assumption on my part, I won't claim I have proof of this, just like I don't have proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, but I do assume so too.
    - deleted 6mo ago
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  - chrisweekly 6mo ago
    Ok, that makes sense. "Likely, based on heuristics" is sufficient to inform your opinions and decisions about Cloudflare. I was hoping you might have something more concrete, but appreciate the thoughtful reply. Tangent: I found your blog in your profile and liked your post on "Good Taste"^1 1. https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/ https://emsh.cat/en/good-taste/
- philipwhiuk 6mo ago
  Why would they not when they have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
iso1631 6mo ago
I think it's more likely they just use/abuse it than specifically created it, same as things like google spyware. The NSA's desires and the ad industry are aligned, so its a match made in heaven.

monokai_nl 6mo ago

Well this is nice. Apparently I reached some limits (thanks all), and had to pay Cloudflare more. Fair I guess, although some warning would've been nice. Tried multiple payment options multiple times just now and Cloudflare botched every time without giving me an error message. Finally managed to get it through on the 10th time. Please be gentle now :/

embedding-shape 6mo ago
That sucks... Bunny CDN served me and others great when it comes to a Cloudflare alternative, if you're looking for an alternative. I understand the pragmatism with going with CF, but I'd lie if I didn't also say using CF as the front for your entire "European Digital Stack" kind of makes the blog-post feel less authentic compared to my initial impression, because of that.
devsda 6mo ago
I want point out the other aspect of that decision to use cloudflare because the content is already public. If your users are in a sanctioned region or a sanctioned entity it is entirely possible for cloudflare to deny serving them traffic. In a way your website users are still bound to the US policies even if you or your country doesnt approve of those sanctions.
NietTim 6mo ago
Oh that's "funny". Where I work we used to pay for cloudflare, then the credit card expired and we didn't notice in time (our bad, for sure), now our account still works fine, just no premium features and all tickets we've made in order to _resume paying them_ have gone unanswered. Big shrug
sixhobbits 6mo ago
fwiw I've had my site on front page hn a couple of times. It is a completely unoptimized hetzner server running nginx and serving HTML. computers are _fast_ these days, you're more likely to have an outage from cloudflare than by just skipping it IMO (for basic personal sites, like yours seems to be)

s_dev 6mo ago

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ktm5j 6mo ago

If ya read the article it lists cloudflare as one of the exceptions ;P

brendanml 6mo ago

Yea I agree