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Do you have any specifics about Mearsheimer or Sachs? Or just vague insinuations.

epistasis 5mo ago
Pretty much anything they have said about Ukraine. Look at their predictions in Ukraine, or Sachs lying blatantly about Maidan: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_senator_carlo_calenda_debunked_proputin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_se... These people serve highly political ends, and do not have factual goals in their communication.
r721 5mo ago
I don't know about their recent comments on Iran/Israel/US, but these two certainly participated in distributing pro-Kremlin propaganda about Russia/Ukraine conflict: >Sachs has suggested that the U.S. was responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. In February 2023, he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council about the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion... >They willingly appear on the programs of Russia’s most odious state propagandist, Vladimir Solovyov ... Mr. Sachs has made three appearances on Mr. Solovyov’s programs since November. https://archive.is/WRODG https://archive.is/WRODG (WSJ) >In John Mearsheimer's 2023 book How States Think, the preface acknowledges him receiving a small financial support from Valdai in conjunction with Best Book award for his 2019 book The Great Delusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/ https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invas...
- ifyoubuildit 5mo ago
  So you know who blew up nordstream? The financial support point seems like it could have some legs. The other ones aren't terribly convincing. "They went on the bad guys show" or "they said the same things the bad guys say" isn't all that compelling to me. I don't see how any of it rises up to "lol they've been completely debunked" As someone who has no dog in the Russia/Ukraine fight (other than my tax dollars), I never liked how if one side said the sky was blue and you entertained the idea, suddenly you love the enemy, and you're parroting their talking points. Nevermind that neither of them are my friend.
  - r721 5mo ago
    >So you know who blew up nordstream? It's pretty well known for now that it was a team of Ukrainians (the only question is whether Zelensky or CIA knew about it at the time, here's one of recent articles: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pipeline-explosion-in-the-baltic-sea-how-early-did-the-cia-know-about-the-nord-stream-attack-a-3191daf5-bb02-4395-b08b-3cb7acce557b https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pipeline-explosio...). Anyway I linked that for "he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council" bit to show he's aligned with Russian state views on the topic. >"They went on the bad guys show" The thing is that people who disagree with Russian state are not invited on that show.

Pretty much anything they have said about Ukraine. Look at their predictions in Ukraine, or Sachs lying blatantly about Maidan: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_senator_carlo_calenda_debunked_proputin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_se... These people serve highly political ends, and do not have factual goals in their communication.

r721 5mo ago

I don't know about their recent comments on Iran/Israel/US, but these two certainly participated in distributing pro-Kremlin propaganda about Russia/Ukraine conflict: >Sachs has suggested that the U.S. was responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. In February 2023, he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council about the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion... >They willingly appear on the programs of Russia’s most odious state propagandist, Vladimir Solovyov ... Mr. Sachs has made three appearances on Mr. Solovyov’s programs since November. https://archive.is/WRODG https://archive.is/WRODG (WSJ) >In John Mearsheimer's 2023 book How States Think, the preface acknowledges him receiving a small financial support from Valdai in conjunction with Best Book award for his 2019 book The Great Delusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/ https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invas...

ifyoubuildit 5mo ago
So you know who blew up nordstream? The financial support point seems like it could have some legs. The other ones aren't terribly convincing. "They went on the bad guys show" or "they said the same things the bad guys say" isn't all that compelling to me. I don't see how any of it rises up to "lol they've been completely debunked" As someone who has no dog in the Russia/Ukraine fight (other than my tax dollars), I never liked how if one side said the sky was blue and you entertained the idea, suddenly you love the enemy, and you're parroting their talking points. Nevermind that neither of them are my friend.
- r721 5mo ago
  >So you know who blew up nordstream? It's pretty well known for now that it was a team of Ukrainians (the only question is whether Zelensky or CIA knew about it at the time, here's one of recent articles: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pipeline-explosion-in-the-baltic-sea-how-early-did-the-cia-know-about-the-nord-stream-attack-a-3191daf5-bb02-4395-b08b-3cb7acce557b https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/pipeline-explosio...). Anyway I linked that for "he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council" bit to show he's aligned with Russian state views on the topic. >"They went on the bad guys show" The thing is that people who disagree with Russian state are not invited on that show.