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I think it came from peaceniks and hippies mostly. You're talking about the equivalent of modern anti-vax liberals. Anti-science and given to conspiracies and m

I think it came from peaceniks and hippies mostly. You're talking about the equivalent of modern anti-vax liberals. Anti-science and given to conspiracies and mysticism. There was a pretty good reason to be scared of nukes when these folks were children in the 50s. The world was quite a different place back then. The US was lagging behind the Soviets, militarily speaking, and Communism was much more expansionary.

happymellon 5mo ago
> anti-vax liberals Just a small correction, but the anti-vax arguments are very conservative, not liberal.
- secretsatan 5mo ago
  There is undeniably a middle class anti vax wellness leftist movement whether it was originally conservative or not, unfortunately.
  - userbinator 5mo ago
    Appeal to nature is something that definitely cuts across the political spectrum.
    - lostlogin 5mo ago
      > Appeal to nature is something that definitely cuts across the political spectrum. I wish this was true. How many right wing political parties support policies that improve the natural environment? Doing that is the domain of left wing parties, but I’d love to know of any exceptions.
      - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
        Conservation used to be quite popular in conservative circles before it got branded as a lefty position. Once that happened, everyone who thought of themselves as conservative started running away from it. The US EPA was created by Richard Nixon, for example.
  - happymellon 5mo ago
    > wellness leftist movement Hang on, are we talking about liberal or leftist now? Because a lot of these hoax "wellness" movements are conservative. Distrusting science and things you don't understand is a conservative mindset.
    - TheOtherHobbes 5mo ago
      And trusting science while distrusting technology you do understand is a leftist mindset.
      - happymellon 5mo ago
        I've never heard of that as a leftist mindset. Do you have examples? People like the Luddites weren't distrusting of technology, they were distrusting of the owners using it to depress wages.
- soperj 5mo ago
  hate to tell you this, but there's a whole contingent of "granola moms" who won't vax their children. They're the same people that subscribe to those teething stones that are really only a strangulation risk.
  - happymellon 5mo ago
    Yep, and a lot of what they say is deeply conspiratorial conservative rhetoric. They may be self described liberal, but their actions certainly aren't.
    - tekla 5mo ago
      Its so fucking wild to see how fast the winds change. And since its inconveniently politically incorrect, history rewrites or "they were actually the opposite of us and lying" Anti-Vax people are/were seen the leftist idiots who were anti-capitalist, anti-corpo, anti-the fascist govt, who would rather have died of preventable diseases than perpetuate the medical industry and its capitalist schemes trying to keep us sick to sell drugs and also ban weed. It's so funny to watch the political sides swap and the doublethink take all of a few days to propogate.
      - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
        When antivax was a lefty thing, it was a tiny percentage. The most wacky on the left always get the most airplay for some reason, making their views seem more mainstream than they really are. Since antivax is now popular on the right, it has grown into a much larger proportion of the populace. It doesn't help that they now have positions in government.
      - 01100011 5mo ago
        It's not surprising. As a kid I was an anarcho-communist punk rocker but I had a friend who was a christian and his parents were scammy, MLM, right-wing conservative types(think Rush Limbaugh but loonier) who distrusted the government and lied on their taxes. It was obvious how the wings of the political spectrum almost touch at times. Paranoia and distrust of institutions, mystical thinking, adherence to alternative truth structures.. these are apolitical just as mental illness is also apolitical.
- JuniperMesos 5mo ago
  There are both liberal and conservative strains of anti-vaccination sentiment that have been more or less prominent at various times.
pjc50 5mo ago
> There was a pretty good reason to be scared of nukes when these folks were children in the 50s Yes, but I think if you asked which country was more likely to "push the button" in the 50s-70s it would have been the US, and the extent to which the US continued invasions after the collapse of the USSR kind of vindicates that. > The US was lagging behind the Soviets, militarily speaking I don't think this was ever true except in the least useful measure, raw headcount of conscripts.
Forgeties79 5mo ago
> You're talking about the equivalent of modern anti-vax liberals. Anti-science and given to conspiracies and mysticism In 2026 this is decidedly a more conservative stance. They installed RFK Jr., who in addition to Wakefield, is the antivax guy. MAHA specifically (can’t believe they actually stuck with that acronym) is overwhelmingly Republican dominated/supported.

happymellon 5mo ago

> anti-vax liberals Just a small correction, but the anti-vax arguments are very conservative, not liberal.

secretsatan 5mo ago
There is undeniably a middle class anti vax wellness leftist movement whether it was originally conservative or not, unfortunately.
- userbinator 5mo ago
  Appeal to nature is something that definitely cuts across the political spectrum.
  - lostlogin 5mo ago
    > Appeal to nature is something that definitely cuts across the political spectrum. I wish this was true. How many right wing political parties support policies that improve the natural environment? Doing that is the domain of left wing parties, but I’d love to know of any exceptions.
    - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
      Conservation used to be quite popular in conservative circles before it got branded as a lefty position. Once that happened, everyone who thought of themselves as conservative started running away from it. The US EPA was created by Richard Nixon, for example.
- happymellon 5mo ago
  > wellness leftist movement Hang on, are we talking about liberal or leftist now? Because a lot of these hoax "wellness" movements are conservative. Distrusting science and things you don't understand is a conservative mindset.
  - TheOtherHobbes 5mo ago
    And trusting science while distrusting technology you do understand is a leftist mindset.
    - happymellon 5mo ago
      I've never heard of that as a leftist mindset. Do you have examples? People like the Luddites weren't distrusting of technology, they were distrusting of the owners using it to depress wages.
soperj 5mo ago
hate to tell you this, but there's a whole contingent of "granola moms" who won't vax their children. They're the same people that subscribe to those teething stones that are really only a strangulation risk.
- happymellon 5mo ago
  Yep, and a lot of what they say is deeply conspiratorial conservative rhetoric. They may be self described liberal, but their actions certainly aren't.
  - tekla 5mo ago
    Its so fucking wild to see how fast the winds change. And since its inconveniently politically incorrect, history rewrites or "they were actually the opposite of us and lying" Anti-Vax people are/were seen the leftist idiots who were anti-capitalist, anti-corpo, anti-the fascist govt, who would rather have died of preventable diseases than perpetuate the medical industry and its capitalist schemes trying to keep us sick to sell drugs and also ban weed. It's so funny to watch the political sides swap and the doublethink take all of a few days to propogate.
    - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
      When antivax was a lefty thing, it was a tiny percentage. The most wacky on the left always get the most airplay for some reason, making their views seem more mainstream than they really are. Since antivax is now popular on the right, it has grown into a much larger proportion of the populace. It doesn't help that they now have positions in government.
    - 01100011 5mo ago
      It's not surprising. As a kid I was an anarcho-communist punk rocker but I had a friend who was a christian and his parents were scammy, MLM, right-wing conservative types(think Rush Limbaugh but loonier) who distrusted the government and lied on their taxes. It was obvious how the wings of the political spectrum almost touch at times. Paranoia and distrust of institutions, mystical thinking, adherence to alternative truth structures.. these are apolitical just as mental illness is also apolitical.
JuniperMesos 5mo ago
There are both liberal and conservative strains of anti-vaccination sentiment that have been more or less prominent at various times.

pjc50 5mo ago

> There was a pretty good reason to be scared of nukes when these folks were children in the 50s Yes, but I think if you asked which country was more likely to "push the button" in the 50s-70s it would have been the US, and the extent to which the US continued invasions after the collapse of the USSR kind of vindicates that. > The US was lagging behind the Soviets, militarily speaking I don't think this was ever true except in the least useful measure, raw headcount of conscripts.

Forgeties79 5mo ago

> You're talking about the equivalent of modern anti-vax liberals. Anti-science and given to conspiracies and mysticism In 2026 this is decidedly a more conservative stance. They installed RFK Jr., who in addition to Wakefield, is the antivax guy. MAHA specifically (can’t believe they actually stuck with that acronym) is overwhelmingly Republican dominated/supported.