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Teaching salaries start at $48,112 on average. If schools want advanced degrees the industry needs to pay more, and that's beyond whatever adjustment the provid
by m348e912 5mo ago
Teaching salaries start at $48,112 on average. If schools want advanced degrees the industry needs to pay more, and that's beyond whatever adjustment the provide for holding an advanced degree.
- blinkbat 5mo agothis. there's almost no fiscal incentive to even BE a teacher, let alone a well-educated one.
- sampli 5mo agoWell, the way you get instant raises in the public school system is by completing more advanced degrees
- EtienneDeLyon 5mo agoWhen you overpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers for the money. Is a good idea to select the people who hate teaching to become teachers?
- mikeocool 5mo agoYeah, why would we pay top dollar for top talent and then hold that talent to high standards? That certainly doesn’t work in any other profession.
- EtienneDeLyon 5mo agoIf you are paying top dollar for top talent, then you are not overpaying anyone. If you can read, thank a teacher!
- OccamsMirror 5mo agoWhen you overpay CEOs, people who hate leading, and hate being CEOs, will become CEOs for the money. Is a good idea to select the people who hate leading to become CEOs?
- jimmygrapes 5mo agoYes
- AndrewKemendo 5mo agoYou say that as though it’s an option CEO is selected by the investors for whoever will side with the investors 100% of the time over every other group including employees What you suggest would subvert this and so it won’t and can’t happen
- seangrogg 5mo agoThis was far more of an option in the 1980s and earlier; a CEO being compensated 20-30x a line employee was pretty standard around then; now it's closer to 250-300x. I think there's more optionality than we may assume, we've just left the structural incentives that drive that difference in place.
- codegrappler 5mo agoWe call this new movement “involuntary CEO”. Bob you’re now it.
- choilive 5mo agoAbsolutely dumb take. There are plenty of very bright and talented people that would have made excellent teachers but chose different career paths because - surprise surprise - the pay is better.
- class3shock 5mo agoWhen you underpay teachers, people who hate teaching, and hate being teachers, will become teachers because all the people that had better options did something else.
- platevoltage 5mo agoAnd then you will have people who absolutely love teaching, and are willing to live in poverty to do so, speckled around that cess pool of mediocrity. It reminds me of high school actually.
- EtienneDeLyon 5mo agoThat means overpayment is wrong and underpayment is wrong. Teachers should be paid the correct amount, no more and no less.
- xigoi 5mo agoI love how it took three comments to arrive at a tautology.
- bloqs 5mo agoThis is true of every single job. Teachers are high in big five trait agreeableness which means they typically don't negotiate on their own behalf
- RhysU 5mo agoTeachers usually outsource negotiations to their unions and therefore largely cannot negotiate on their own behalf, even if they wanted to.
- platevoltage 5mo agoYou made an assertion that is based in fantasy, and then asked a question based on this silly assertion. Just wow.
- lmm 5mo agoThey're already paid better than adjunct professors or grad students which is the normal career path for people with advanced degrees.
- goosejuice 5mo agoAll things considered, it's much better than it's made out to be. Teaching is pretty stable, offers pensions, unionized, yearly adjusted for CPI, opportunities to increase pay schedule + extra pay with extra curriculars / duties, lots of time off, good hours. Don't get me wrong. There are issues and it does depend on the district (US). Now the aides..
- spwa4 5mo agoTrue. As long as we can agree that that means that tripling the current compensation is a necessity. Quadrupling it (ie. matching entry-level FANG) is not that necessary. Btw: there is also the aspect that while children can get inspired and that is enormously motivating. Children also sabotage teaching and I've seen teachers leave because of that as well.
- goosejuice 5mo agoAnd where do you think that money will come from?
- next_xibalba 5mo agoMost public K-12 teachers teach 9 months out of the year. So annualizing that salary gets you to $64,149. Supposing a two income household of two teachers earning that amount ($128,299), the household would be earning a good bit above the median household income of $83,730.
- RhysU 5mo agoNow, add in the pre-tax earnings that would be necessary to emulate a teacher's risk-free pension. One would need post-tax investments which must be turned into an annuity on retirement. It's not a small sum.
- danaris 5mo ago"The industry", at least at a pre-university level, is entirely at the mercy of state and local governments for its budgets. If you want schools to pay their teachers more, you have to push for higher taxes, because that's where the money for them comes from. And you have to explain to your families and friends that yes, the extra $30.45 they had to pay this year is very, very meaningful, because it lets starting teachers make enough to actually afford rent, food, and clothes all in the same year. (You probably have to explain that part ad nauseam.)
- hammock 5mo agoTeachers get can paid more whether you raise taxes or not. Chicago public schools runs a $700,000,000 deficit every year no sweat. Chicago pays teachers more than any other place in the country and has close to if not the absolute worst student outcomes. Paying more doesn’t solve much