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Both the mandatory data retention and encryption backdoor requirements will cause encrypted messaging services like Signal, WhatsApp, iMessage, Matrix, and othe

Both the mandatory data retention and encryption backdoor requirements will cause encrypted messaging services like Signal, WhatsApp, iMessage, Matrix, and others to block both Canadians and Canadian businesses from their services. If you live in Canada or are impacted by this legislation, then you need to tell both your MP and the Minister of Public Safety of Canada to reject this legislation. --- The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) published information about Bill C-22 here just over a week ago: https://ccla.org/privacy/coalition-to-mps-scrap-unprecedented-surveillance-measures/ https://ccla.org/privacy/coalition-to-mps-scrap-unprecedente... The blanket metadata retention and encryption backdoor requirements of Bill C-22 are illegal in the European Union. Multiple groups have made easy to use tools for sending your MP and (other members of government) an email about rejecting this terrible legislation in its current form: * The Internet Society's tool: https://www.internetsociety.org/our-work/internet-policy/keep-canada-protected/ https://www.internetsociety.org/our-work/internet-policy/kee... * OpenMedia's messaging tool: https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1 https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1 * ICLM's messaging tool: https://iclmg.ca/stop-c-22/ https://iclmg.ca/stop-c-22/ I'd also recommend emailing Minister of Public Safety of Canada (Gary Anandasangaree: gary.anand@parl.gc.ca), and the Minister of Justice (Sean Fraser: sean.fraser@parl.gc.ca).

qball 5mo ago
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- rapind 5mo ago
  Carney’s current majority is correlated to PP’s douchiness levels and Trump adjacent language. I’m not in love with bankers running the country either, but give us another option.
  - qball 5mo ago
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  - AlexandrB 5mo ago
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- thunderfork 5mo ago
  "unelected"? seriously?
  - opengrass 5mo ago
    Yes, you win as a Conservative then scam your district crossing the floor to Liberal.
    - thunderfork 5mo ago
      You elect MPs in Canada, not parties
      - nothinkjustai 5mo ago
        Not in practice, virtually everyone votes for party and MP’s vote with their party >99% of the time.
        thunderfork 5mo ago
        As we can see, in practice, voting for the party and not the MP is a mistake - because there's nothing chaining an MP to the party
- bdamm 5mo ago
  You need to branch out a bit, and take a look at how countries on the brink actually operate. Go check out Hungary for a country that almost lost their democracy, or check out Russia for a country that never had it but tries to pretend like it does. Canada is measurably not even close to countries like Russia, where voting truly does not matter (and could actually be hazardous to your health.)
  - mothballed 5mo ago
    Having spent my fair share of time in 3rd world shitholes, though I wouldn't particularly like Russia, most of them have levels of freedom in day-to-day life you could only dream of north of the Mexican border in the Americas. In a great deal of area, no one bothers to get a license plate. You can just build a house, no government asshole to block you, and if they do they are only looking for a small bribe. There is no CPS for the next Karen to call to come harass your kids for them playing independently. Very little intervention in family disputes nor practical ability to extract alimony because your wife decided she was "bored." The cash economy thrives. The ability of the government to tax is weak. There is not the money nor personnel available to do Orwellian surveillance and the state has to very strategically pick how to spend its few resources oppressing the populace. Canada and USA have more freedom on paper. If you don't count the fact you're spending 1/4 or 1/3 of the year slaving to pay taxes, burning another 1/3 of the year to make rent because it's illegal to just erect a shack on a postage stamp and live in it for next to nothing, and that the precious 'rule of law' means instead of the policeman asking for a bribe they'll just arrest you on one of the gazillion laws (ignorance of the law is no excuse!) on the books to get their money instead. This isn't to say it's better. But a great deal of my family that could immigrate from the third world... have not.... or they use North America as a cash vacuum while they invest in their 3rd world hometown where they can actually get shit done without a gigantic pile of paperwork and environmental reviews with a gazillion rules attached to start and run a business.
    - HelloMcFly 5mo ago
      I don't want to get into a big debate on libertarianism, but the The "freedoms" being celebrated here are largely freedoms from accountability: the freedom to build without inspections that protect neighbors from fire hazards or ensure you're building on land you own; the freedom from alimony that ensures a financially dependent spouse who made shared life decisions isn't left destitute because those decisions reduced their personal earning potential; the freedom to abuse and neglect your children to whatever extreme degree you wish. The weak state and cash economy being romanticized also tend to mean no enforced worker safety, no recourse when a business defrauds you, and no accessible courts for the poor - all freedoms that disproportionately belong to whoever is strongest or most corrupt. Regulations are often irritating precisely because they encode hard-won protections for people who aren't you.
- amatecha 5mo ago
  Yeah, I contacted my MP (via email). No response. :\
- EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
  Doing nothing is guaranteed to fail. Apathy only helps the bad guys win. Messaging campaigns at least have a chance of influencing things.
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firmretention 5mo ago
>then you need to tell both your MP and the Minister of Public Safety of Canada to reject this legislation lol, for what reason? the LPC always gets its way
- EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
  Why? Because its better to message multiple government officials, rather than betting on a single one. MPs also have a different role than government ministers do.

qball 5mo ago

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rapind 5mo ago
Carney’s current majority is correlated to PP’s douchiness levels and Trump adjacent language. I’m not in love with bankers running the country either, but give us another option.
- qball 5mo ago
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- AlexandrB 5mo ago
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thunderfork 5mo ago
"unelected"? seriously?
- opengrass 5mo ago
  Yes, you win as a Conservative then scam your district crossing the floor to Liberal.
  - thunderfork 5mo ago
    You elect MPs in Canada, not parties
    - nothinkjustai 5mo ago
      Not in practice, virtually everyone votes for party and MP’s vote with their party >99% of the time.
      - thunderfork 5mo ago
        As we can see, in practice, voting for the party and not the MP is a mistake - because there's nothing chaining an MP to the party
bdamm 5mo ago
You need to branch out a bit, and take a look at how countries on the brink actually operate. Go check out Hungary for a country that almost lost their democracy, or check out Russia for a country that never had it but tries to pretend like it does. Canada is measurably not even close to countries like Russia, where voting truly does not matter (and could actually be hazardous to your health.)
- mothballed 5mo ago
  Having spent my fair share of time in 3rd world shitholes, though I wouldn't particularly like Russia, most of them have levels of freedom in day-to-day life you could only dream of north of the Mexican border in the Americas. In a great deal of area, no one bothers to get a license plate. You can just build a house, no government asshole to block you, and if they do they are only looking for a small bribe. There is no CPS for the next Karen to call to come harass your kids for them playing independently. Very little intervention in family disputes nor practical ability to extract alimony because your wife decided she was "bored." The cash economy thrives. The ability of the government to tax is weak. There is not the money nor personnel available to do Orwellian surveillance and the state has to very strategically pick how to spend its few resources oppressing the populace. Canada and USA have more freedom on paper. If you don't count the fact you're spending 1/4 or 1/3 of the year slaving to pay taxes, burning another 1/3 of the year to make rent because it's illegal to just erect a shack on a postage stamp and live in it for next to nothing, and that the precious 'rule of law' means instead of the policeman asking for a bribe they'll just arrest you on one of the gazillion laws (ignorance of the law is no excuse!) on the books to get their money instead. This isn't to say it's better. But a great deal of my family that could immigrate from the third world... have not.... or they use North America as a cash vacuum while they invest in their 3rd world hometown where they can actually get shit done without a gigantic pile of paperwork and environmental reviews with a gazillion rules attached to start and run a business.
  - HelloMcFly 5mo ago
    I don't want to get into a big debate on libertarianism, but the The "freedoms" being celebrated here are largely freedoms from accountability: the freedom to build without inspections that protect neighbors from fire hazards or ensure you're building on land you own; the freedom from alimony that ensures a financially dependent spouse who made shared life decisions isn't left destitute because those decisions reduced their personal earning potential; the freedom to abuse and neglect your children to whatever extreme degree you wish. The weak state and cash economy being romanticized also tend to mean no enforced worker safety, no recourse when a business defrauds you, and no accessible courts for the poor - all freedoms that disproportionately belong to whoever is strongest or most corrupt. Regulations are often irritating precisely because they encode hard-won protections for people who aren't you.
amatecha 5mo ago
Yeah, I contacted my MP (via email). No response. :\
EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
Doing nothing is guaranteed to fail. Apathy only helps the bad guys win. Messaging campaigns at least have a chance of influencing things.

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firmretention 5mo ago

>then you need to tell both your MP and the Minister of Public Safety of Canada to reject this legislation lol, for what reason? the LPC always gets its way

EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
Why? Because its better to message multiple government officials, rather than betting on a single one. MPs also have a different role than government ministers do.