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Thank goodness that no kidnapping of an American has ever happened since.

by nathanmills 5mo ago

eviks 5mo ago
That's the magic of Laws!
Geof25 5mo ago
It is illegal to commit a crime. So no crimes will be committed. Duh.
JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
Hmm, there was once fraud so I guess we should repeal any prohibitions on fraud, huh? Same for murder.
- nathanmills 5mo ago
  Calm down, extremist. There's a difference between someone doing something vs someone paying someone else to stop doing something. If the latter were truly bad then the same should be applied to people handing over their wallet to muggers. The only difference in that scenario and the above is saving yourself vs saving a family member. Would you really deny people the ability to save their loved ones?
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > then the same should be applied to people handing over their wallet to muggers Not really. Muggings are both more common and less traumatic than kidnappings. This is reflected in the fact that common and maximum sentences for kidnappings are universally more extreme than those for muggings. > Would you really deny people the ability to save their loved ones? ...yes. Because it means significantly fewer kidnappings. "Deny people the ability to save their loved ones" is tantamount to "help others to lose their own."
    - nathanmills 5mo ago
      And where does ransomware fall on that trauma scale? The maximum sentence is less than mugging after all..
      - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
        > does ransomware fall on that trauma scale? Idk. That’s a step (sentencing guidelines) after we decide it should be criminalized. > The maximum sentence is less than mugging after all.. They’re in the same ballpark, 2 to 6 years or so.
        nathanmills 5mo ago
        > That’s a step (sentencing guidelines) after we decide it should be criminalized. You decide it should be criminalized before you identify any harms? > They’re in the same ballpark, 2 to 6 years or so. You can just look it up. Maximum sentence for mugging is 30 years, ransomware is 20.
        JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
        > You decide it should be criminalized before you identify any harms? No. We have a measure of the harms. We haven’t balanced them for sentencing. Again, deciding something should be illegal doesn’t require obsessing over the sentence ex ante. > Maximum sentence for mugging is 30 years Not the norm, either for maximums [1] or usual sentences. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_laws_in_the_United_Sta...

Thank goodness that no kidnapping of an American has ever happened since.

eviks 5mo ago

That's the magic of Laws!

Geof25 5mo ago

It is illegal to commit a crime. So no crimes will be committed. Duh.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago

Hmm, there was once fraud so I guess we should repeal any prohibitions on fraud, huh? Same for murder.

nathanmills 5mo ago
Calm down, extremist. There's a difference between someone doing something vs someone paying someone else to stop doing something. If the latter were truly bad then the same should be applied to people handing over their wallet to muggers. The only difference in that scenario and the above is saving yourself vs saving a family member. Would you really deny people the ability to save their loved ones?
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > then the same should be applied to people handing over their wallet to muggers Not really. Muggings are both more common and less traumatic than kidnappings. This is reflected in the fact that common and maximum sentences for kidnappings are universally more extreme than those for muggings. > Would you really deny people the ability to save their loved ones? ...yes. Because it means significantly fewer kidnappings. "Deny people the ability to save their loved ones" is tantamount to "help others to lose their own."
  - nathanmills 5mo ago
    And where does ransomware fall on that trauma scale? The maximum sentence is less than mugging after all..
    - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
      > does ransomware fall on that trauma scale? Idk. That’s a step (sentencing guidelines) after we decide it should be criminalized. > The maximum sentence is less than mugging after all.. They’re in the same ballpark, 2 to 6 years or so.
      - nathanmills 5mo ago
        > That’s a step (sentencing guidelines) after we decide it should be criminalized. You decide it should be criminalized before you identify any harms? > They’re in the same ballpark, 2 to 6 years or so. You can just look it up. Maximum sentence for mugging is 30 years, ransomware is 20.
        JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
        > You decide it should be criminalized before you identify any harms? No. We have a measure of the harms. We haven’t balanced them for sentencing. Again, deciding something should be illegal doesn’t require obsessing over the sentence ex ante. > Maximum sentence for mugging is 30 years Not the norm, either for maximums [1] or usual sentences. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_laws_in_the_United_Sta...