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Well oil is frequently trotted out as a reason to do this, so we certainly can't take oil out of the discussion, whether it feels like it's an obvious bad reaso

• an0malous 6mo ago
  They’ve also said it was to stop their nuclear weapons program, the same program they said they destroyed at the beginning of the year. They additionally said it was to free the Iranian people from the oppressive regime, and later said we would end their civilization if they don’t agree to a cease fire. I’m sure obtaining their oil is a goal, but it’s not their primary goal.
  • epistasis 6mo ago
    Well even "a" goal is a big change from "obviously not". Historians will debate the true reasons for this invasion, but in the end I think they'll conclude it's just the random actions of a very incompetint and not very intelligent person that acts with pure id.
    • an0malous 6mo ago
      If I go to the supermarket for groceries and fill up the gas in my car to get there, my goal wasn’t to get gas, it was to get groceries. The historians are already saying this war is for Israel, that’s what John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are saying. I’m sure the companies that produce the textbooks will find a way to say how it’s all rather more complicated than that though.
      • epistasis 6mo ago
        > John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs lol those people are absolute shills and frauds, completely discredited liars. I do agree that Israel is largely the impetus, but citing fools like those people is a bit discrediting. They might be right by accident but they are not serious people. Plus, you're completely ignoring that Trump was aglow with the thrill of stealing Venezuela's oil. The idea that stealing Iran's oil wasn't a driver is a bit ridiculous, as evidence abounds both before and after the war, in his own words. Just never listen to Sachs or Mearshmeirer unless it is to understand what their puppet masters are trying to trick you into believing.
        • ifyoubuildit 6mo ago
          Do you have any specifics about Mearsheimer or Sachs? Or just vague insinuations.
          • epistasis 6mo ago
            Pretty much anything they have said about Ukraine. Look at their predictions in Ukraine, or Sachs lying blatantly about Maidan: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_senator_carlo_calenda_debunked_proputin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ohpa7j/italian_se... These people serve highly political ends, and do not have factual goals in their communication.
          • r721 6mo ago
            I don't know about their recent comments on Iran/Israel/US, but these two certainly participated in distributing pro-Kremlin propaganda about Russia/Ukraine conflict: >Sachs has suggested that the U.S. was responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline. In February 2023, he was invited by the Russian government to address the United Nations Security Council about the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Russian_invasion... >They willingly appear on the programs of Russia’s most odious state propagandist, Vladimir Solovyov ... Mr. Sachs has made three appearances on Mr. Solovyov’s programs since November. https://archive.is/WRODG https://archive.is/WRODG (WSJ) >In John Mearsheimer's 2023 book How States Think, the preface acknowledges him receiving a small financial support from Valdai in conjunction with Best Book award for his 2019 book The Great Delusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/ https://valdaiclub.com/about/experts/4624/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Russian_invas...