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These demographic trends, in the west at least, will continue until we solve wealth inequality which we seemingly aren't going to do until there is eventually v

These demographic trends, in the west at least, will continue until we solve wealth inequality which we seemingly aren't going to do until there is eventually violent revolt.

mc32 5mo ago
I doubt it. Of do we’d see the supermajority wealthy people having lots of kids. As it is now the people most apt to reproduce are in the lower strata of the economy.
- nerdsniper 5mo ago
  https://www.today.com/parents/parents/elon-musk-kids-rcna19692 https://www.today.com/parents/parents/elon-musk-kids-rcna196... https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud/tree/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud/tree/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenaebarnes/2022/07/10/elon-musk-isnt-the-only-billionaire-with-9-plus-kids-meet-the-us-richest-people-with-the-most-children/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenaebarnes/2022/07/10/elon-mus...
  - jdlshore 5mo ago
    Neither you or parent have proven your position. Parent made a “conventional wisdom” statement without providing data; you shared three examples, and as the saying goes, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data.”
    - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
      Worldwide data: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-fertility-rate-vs-level-of-prosperity https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-fertil... US data: https://www.reddit.com/r/Natalism/comments/1bwxsuj/total_us_fertility_rate_by_family_income/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Natalism/comments/1bwxsuj/total_us_...
      - jdlshore 5mo ago
        Now that’s what I’m talking about. Thank you.
- raks619 5mo ago
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eowln 5mo ago
The more we solve economic inequality the less children people have since they have more interesting things to do with their lives.
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aeternum 5mo ago
False, higher inequality actually boosts fertility. And it's a surprisingly strong correlation. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11620411/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11620411/
- iv4122 5mo ago
  The correlation between inequality and fertility is one of the most counter-intuitive parts of demographics. While it's true that the poorest strata often have the most children, that doesn't necessarily mean "fixing inequality" is the lever. In many cases, it's the aspiration of the middle class that kills fertility - the high cost of maintaining a certain standard of living and providing a competitive "start" for one child makes having three or four feel financially impossible

These demographic trends, in the west at least, will continue until we solve wealth inequality which we seemingly aren't going to do until there is eventually violent revolt.

mc32 5mo ago

I doubt it. Of do we’d see the supermajority wealthy people having lots of kids. As it is now the people most apt to reproduce are in the lower strata of the economy.

nerdsniper 5mo ago
https://www.today.com/parents/parents/elon-musk-kids-rcna19692 https://www.today.com/parents/parents/elon-musk-kids-rcna196... https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud/tree/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud/tree/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenaebarnes/2022/07/10/elon-musk-isnt-the-only-billionaire-with-9-plus-kids-meet-the-us-richest-people-with-the-most-children/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenaebarnes/2022/07/10/elon-mus...
- jdlshore 5mo ago
  Neither you or parent have proven your position. Parent made a “conventional wisdom” statement without providing data; you shared three examples, and as the saying goes, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data.”
  - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
    Worldwide data: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-fertility-rate-vs-level-of-prosperity https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-fertil... US data: https://www.reddit.com/r/Natalism/comments/1bwxsuj/total_us_fertility_rate_by_family_income/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Natalism/comments/1bwxsuj/total_us_...
    - jdlshore 5mo ago
      Now that’s what I’m talking about. Thank you.
raks619 5mo ago
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eowln 5mo ago

The more we solve economic inequality the less children people have since they have more interesting things to do with their lives.

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aeternum 5mo ago

False, higher inequality actually boosts fertility. And it's a surprisingly strong correlation. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11620411/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11620411/

iv4122 5mo ago
The correlation between inequality and fertility is one of the most counter-intuitive parts of demographics. While it's true that the poorest strata often have the most children, that doesn't necessarily mean "fixing inequality" is the lever. In many cases, it's the aspiration of the middle class that kills fertility - the high cost of maintaining a certain standard of living and providing a competitive "start" for one child makes having three or four feel financially impossible