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BTW, the conflict is unlikely to resolve soon. The US has literally never honored a deal with Iran. Iran has no reason to negotiate with the US. The US either

BTW, the conflict is unlikely to resolve soon. The US has literally never honored a deal with Iran. Iran has no reason to negotiate with the US. The US either has to back down, put boots on the ground, or sit and wait. If the government survives, they had a quiet infrastructure investment from China they can activate to rebuild their damaged facilities.

lesuorac 5mo ago
Isn't it just Trump that doesn't honor deals? What did Bush / Obama / Biden do?
- legitster 5mo ago
  Going all the way back to the hostage crisis, the US never really held up their end of the deal. We were also quietly making inroads with the revolutionary government of Iran and then secretly backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war in 1980. But the elephant in the room is Trump and the JCPOA. We just backed out and gave them nothing in return for them holding up their side of the bargain. Furthermore, we made such an embarrassment out of the other signatories that such a deal amongst western powers will never happen again either.
toasty228 5mo ago
> The US has literally never honored a deal with Iran. It'll be better now, they killed the dad/wife/son/etc. of their new leader, this will 100% make them eager to negociate in good terms
- legitster 5mo ago
  This is the story overall of strategic bombing campaigns. All they do is strengthen the resolve of the recipient country and rally people to the flag. Before using the nuclear weapons on Japan, we literally firebombed every city in Japan BUT Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And arguably the only reason they surrendered when they did was because Russia was beginning a large scale invasion of their own. People who call themselves "foreign policy experts" but advocate for regime change through bombing are not serious people, and the fact that we have treated them as such for so long is an indictment on our collective intelligence.
WarmWash 5mo ago
Iran has Trumps balls in a vice. Trump took a high risk gamble, that he would destabilize Iran and the people would overthrow the remnants. That didn't happen, and now Iran gets to inflict severe pain on the US. I myself am delighted though, because everyone needs to get the fuck off oil, even if it's economically painful for a few years.
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rurp 5mo ago
China, and to a lesser extent Russia, will happily help Iran rebuild and rearm. This war has been a major strategic defeat for the US as it has burned through immense amounts high end munitions to destroy low value targets that can be replaced for a relative pittance. On top of that the US is further isolated from its remaining allies. Being unable to win a war or even protect regional allies against a fourth rate power is an embarrasment for a current/former superpower. But hey we did destroy the Iranian Navy! Sort of.

lesuorac 5mo ago

Isn't it just Trump that doesn't honor deals? What did Bush / Obama / Biden do?

legitster 5mo ago
Going all the way back to the hostage crisis, the US never really held up their end of the deal. We were also quietly making inroads with the revolutionary government of Iran and then secretly backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war in 1980. But the elephant in the room is Trump and the JCPOA. We just backed out and gave them nothing in return for them holding up their side of the bargain. Furthermore, we made such an embarrassment out of the other signatories that such a deal amongst western powers will never happen again either.

toasty228 5mo ago

> The US has literally never honored a deal with Iran. It'll be better now, they killed the dad/wife/son/etc. of their new leader, this will 100% make them eager to negociate in good terms

legitster 5mo ago
This is the story overall of strategic bombing campaigns. All they do is strengthen the resolve of the recipient country and rally people to the flag. Before using the nuclear weapons on Japan, we literally firebombed every city in Japan BUT Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And arguably the only reason they surrendered when they did was because Russia was beginning a large scale invasion of their own. People who call themselves "foreign policy experts" but advocate for regime change through bombing are not serious people, and the fact that we have treated them as such for so long is an indictment on our collective intelligence.

WarmWash 5mo ago

Iran has Trumps balls in a vice. Trump took a high risk gamble, that he would destabilize Iran and the people would overthrow the remnants. That didn't happen, and now Iran gets to inflict severe pain on the US. I myself am delighted though, because everyone needs to get the fuck off oil, even if it's economically painful for a few years.

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rurp 5mo ago

China, and to a lesser extent Russia, will happily help Iran rebuild and rearm. This war has been a major strategic defeat for the US as it has burned through immense amounts high end munitions to destroy low value targets that can be replaced for a relative pittance. On top of that the US is further isolated from its remaining allies. Being unable to win a war or even protect regional allies against a fourth rate power is an embarrasment for a current/former superpower. But hey we did destroy the Iranian Navy! Sort of.